Why Can’t I Just Turn Off Achievements? November 7, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, EverQuest II, Guild Wars 2, Lord of the Rings Online, MMO Design, World of Warcraft.
Over in a corner of the blogesphere this week achievements have been the discussion point.
Syl at MMO Gypsy started venting on Twitter about achievements and went on the write about about her hate of them and other like things at her blog.
In the way of the world, that lead to Liore at Herding Cats to express her love of achievements. Cuppy joined in on that front as well, while Klepsacovic just wonders if they are the right tool for the job.
The lines were drawn, let the battle commence!
Both sides make impassioned, emotional pleas for their point of view. The ill-defined concept of “immersion,” which I think means something different to everybody, has been flung about. Comments have popped up trying to explain one point of view to those whole held the other, myself included. All just the blogesphere functioning as designed.
I fall on the achievement lovers side of the argument. They went into World of Warcraft five years ago and I have enjoyed Blizzard’s implementation ever since.
I don’t think they necessarily belong in every MMO… and some retro-fits, like the EverQuest implementation, make me groan… but for WoW, already a bright and shiny game with a cultural reference around every corner, it seems like a good match. I especially like the statistics tab which tracks all sorts of little details, but I am that sort of person.
That isn’t to say that I don’t “get” the dislike of achievements. And while I think trying to describe what immersion is to each other is like trying to describe what blue is to each other, I can understand how some might find that a shiny pop-up in the middle of their experience might break that for them.
And while I was absorbing all of this, a thought popped into my head.
What if you could just turn them off?
I am not even suggesting that they be expunged from the game, but that the game have a check box somewhere in the settings to not pop up achievements, yours mine or ours. They would still accrue somewhere in the background in case the person in question changed their mind, but while the correct box was checked somewhere in the settings, they just wouldn’t be a thing on that particular game client. No pop-ups allowed.
And in imagining that, it sounded so simple that I had to believe that such a setting was already there. I mean, you can turn off all sorts of things in the UI in most games. How could that not already be a thing?
So I launched World of Warcraft and went to the setting to check.
You can turn on and off lots of UI elements in WoW. You can toggle the on screen quest list, quest tracking, floating names over players and NPCs, quests markers on the map and so on and so forth. There are even conditional settings, so you can have NPC names hidden unless they are part of a quest you are on.
But as far as I can tell, there is no setting to turn off achievement pops.
Well, WoW is a big game, with 7.6 million subscribers at last count. Maybe somebody has filled this niche with an addon! So I went to Curse to look at achievement related addons. There are dozens of addons devoted to helping you find, track, and achieve your achievements, but not one to suppress them. There may be one out there (let me know if there is) but I couldn’t find it in my admittedly limited search.
I decided to check other games. The next up was Rift. I downloaded the latest update, which was sizable, and got into the game. Ignoring the fact that somebody clearly left the realm administration console unlocked during a bathroom break (Or was that server-wide broadcast about Ceiling Cat watching you part of the current event?) and the blinky telling me I earned a reward just for logging in (that I could do without) I started leafing through the settings.
Like WoW, Rift has a pretty comprehensive set of things you can turn on and off. There is even a social media tab where you can annoy your soon-to-be-ex-friends by spamming Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr with all of your achievements. But I could not find a way to keep achievements from popping on your screen.
I can automatically decline marriage proposals (which I have set) but achievements are sacred. I even tried editing the UI to see if I could move achievements off screen, but that particular UI element isn’t part of the editor.
No luck on that front. So I moved on to Middle-earth.
Lord of the Rings Online doesn’t have achievements… at least not in the WoW sense of them. But there are traits and pop ups and all sorts of little nags that do get on my nerves. And they also have a pretty comprehensive list of things in the settings. But on the achievement-like traits front there was no joy there. Like other games, there are plenty of potentially immersion breaking things you can turn off, but trait notifications… and the accompanying “Visit the LOTRO Store!” message… are stuck on. So I moved on.
Next I patched up and tried EverQuest II. EQII has such a half-hearted “I’m just like WoW! Love me too please!” attempt at achievements that even I am not really interested in them.
Which is odd when I think about it, because EverQuest II had a sort of proto-achievements implementation back at launch in 2004. In addition to server first and world first discoveries, which were kind of neat until they inevitable ran out, there were the slaughter titles you got for killing so many undead or gnolls or what not. But they felt they needed to tack on the WoW model as well, making EQII even more of a mish-mash of conflicting visions.
Anyway, in digging through the “monumentally huge since day one” options window of the game, I figured out that achievements are part of the updates and notifications in the game. You can set how quickly they are displayed and where the UI element shows up, but it doesn’t appear that you can actually turn them off. I suppose you could move that off-screen, but since it shows information for things besides just achievements, I am not sure if that is a viable solution. Call that a “maybe” at best.
I thought about checking Guild Wars 2, but was brought up short by two things. First, their super duper, point of interest, laundry list, be the completionist mechanism seemed so much a part of the game when I tried it that I seriously doubted you could turn it off. And it seems to have progressed since then.
And, second, I’ve forgotten my password and I cannot get Anet to cough it back up again because I’ve changed internet services since I last logged in so they think I am trying to hack the account. Saved me from patching in any case.
I also considered checking EverQuest, which has had achievements grafted onto it as well, but I was starting to get bored with the whole idea. Plus the pattern seemed to be pretty clear and I hated to ruin it by finding a contrary example. Once you have two points, draw the line, calculate the slope, and move on I say!
But this does leave me with a few questions.
First, does any MMORPG with achievements let you turn off the pop ups? Did I miss an example or a setting or an addon that would do that for any of the above or some other example? And why isn’t the option to turn off achievement pop ups available? Do companies believe them to be so important that the game cannot be separated from the achievements?
Then, would turning off the achievements as I have describe be enough for you explorers and those of you who just do not like achievements in general? Or does the fact that achievements simply exist bother you?
Destination? Journey? Destination? Journey? October 23, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, EVE Online, EverQuest, EverQuest II, Lord of the Rings Online, MMO Design, World of Warcraft.
I always feel a mixed set of emotions when something like a double experience event gets announced. Lord of the Rings Online has one going now as part of their ramp up to the Helms Deep expansion in November.
That is a pretty long stretch of double experience. A lot of games will toss that sort of thing out for a special weekend or maybe a holiday or “please come back and play!” event over maybe a week. But a 30 day stretch seems like a lot. I cannot recall off hand any other game going for double for quite that long. I wonder what SynCaine would say?
And when I saw that offer on the front page of the LOTRO site, a little voice within me said, “Wow, I should totally take advantage of that to get a few level!”
I mean, I made it through Moria with my captain on Brandywine (5th server, 5th guild) and if I just pushed a little bit forward I could actually get into Siege of Mirkwood content that I purchased a couple of years back.
Basically, opportunity! I should take advantage of it.
Then another voice in my head coughs and says something along the lines of, “Weren’t you just grumbling about how fast leveling is in MMOs these day?”
And I must sheepishly admit to myself that I have groused about how trivial, for example, the 1 to 60 game in World of Warcraft has gotten. One of my issues in my quest to see the Horde side of the post-Cataclysm world is that I seem to out-level the quest chains in a given zone long before I am done. The achievement for doing all the quests in Azshara, as an example, shows 60 quests to be completed. But the zone had pretty much gone gray to me just after the 40 quest mark with one character. And with another, with whom I did a couple of instances, I was beyond the zone before the 30 quest mark. In fact, I was so far beyond that the Warchief’s Call board directed me to essentially skip the next zone in line as well.
Likewise, back in LOTRO, I was skipping whole sections of content. I actually optimized my path through the game to visit some of my favorite zones… The Lone Lands and Evendim being two where I ran down the whole zone of quests… but otherwise leapfrogged until I could get into Eregion and then Moria. Even in Moria I ended up skipping a big chunk of the content while running through some of the areas. As it turned out, I think I picked the better areas… the content in Moria is somewhat uneven, with areas in the old fetch-and-carry quest hub model while other areas are in the more recent, more dynamic vein that Turbine has adopted… but there was still a lot left behind.
Of course, I write that in full knowledge of my own hypocrisy. What is that I have equipped in my pocket slot?
What has it got in its pocketses indeed! A 25% XP boosting item!
Well there’s your problem.
Or at least an insight into the problem, the competing aspects of such games that pull some people, like myself, in contradictory directions.
While seeing the world, experiencing the content, ought to be the part of the package, at the same time level based progression oriented games like this also push the achievement button for people. As somebody who tends to be very goal oriented, at times I find myself quite caught up in the progress aspect of games. Pushing on, getting another level, getting access to another zone, another instance, another expansion, another whatever, can quickly become my focus, especially if the content is nothing to write home about. A series of fetch-and-carry and solve the local bear/boar/wolf problem quests become an obstacle to overcome in pursuit of the next stage of the progression aspect of the game.
In getting my fourth character to level cap in Rift before the Storm Legion expansion, my run became very much a matter of progress over everything else.
Progress, and giving feedback on progress, can be very powerful motivators. There is a reason we went from the dark ages of TorilMUD, where you had to travel back to town to speak to your guild leader to see where you stood in your progress to the next level (and he would only give a vague answer that you could translate into which 10% segment of the climb you were in), to the tiny little five bubble experience bar in the character window in EverQuest which used to cause people to track progress in pixels (I had a friend who used to take a before and after screen shot every time he played so he could compare the bars and get an exact pixel count), to experience bars that are part of the main UI and which go from edge to edge across the screen, chopped up into nice little 5% increment.
This whole thing is exacerbated by the general “more levels” expansion plan that MMORPGs have been using since at least Ruins of Kunark. When you start a game and you are staring at 85-90 levels to get to the latest content… presumably the “best” content, or at least the content where most of the population is playing… It becomes just that much harder to ignore progress in favor of content.
And it is not just the fantasy MMORPG where this holds sway. I was thinking about why I left off playing World of Tanks earlier this year. In part I think it was because I had hit a point where I was logging on every night to get my “first win” bonus XP with a couple of tanks on trees that I wanted to advance, and then logging off when I was done. The fights seemed like they were becoming secondary to progression, at which point you sort of have to ask yourself why you are playing. In my case, that dialog seems to happen somewhere in my subconscious and I simply stop logging in if it comes out the wrong way. And now that I have picked up War Thunder, which has a similar daily bonus scheme, I wonder if I will end up in the same rut over there eventually.
It is easy at this point to say that we should focus on games without levels and the like. But we will find our various progress metrics. There are no levels in EVE Online, but people will track their progress in ISK, skill points, kills, standings, loyalty points, or being in one of the alliances on the sovereignty map. We do like to have our cut and dried indicators. And I think if you worked to eliminate all such things, you might just end up with no game at all.
Progress is in these games for a reason. It can be both a good and a bad motivator. I like the idea of getting to level cap. In a number of MMOs my having arrived at that point meant me feeling done, in both a satisfying and a terminal way. And progress, in my mind, is invariably tied in with the journey. I couldn’t really get myself on board with SOE’s play to sell the jump to level 85 in EverQuest II. In part that was because of the mire of skills and points and what not you are handed without any context. But it also feels a bit like cheating, jumping up all those levels. That is my own feeling anyway. I wouldn’t point fingers at those who chose that path, but in my gut it feels like skipping all that progress… even though I have no inclination to do it myself at this point… is skipping the game.
Which sort of ties progress back to content in some odd way in my brain. But, in the end, do I play the content in order to progress, or progress in order to play content? And is there a “right” balance in there somewhere?
How do you feel about the balance between content and progress?
Great Moments in Exploits – The Ressurection September 20, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in Dungeons & Dragons Online, entertainment, MMO Design, TorilMUD.
There were corpses all around the great fountain in Waterdeep.
Not that there aren’t usually a corpse or three sitting around there, preserved and waiting for a resurrection. There was one there even as I started to write this.
But this different. This was a lot of corpses. And they were all from the same player who, I recalled, was a high level barbarian warrior.
Even as I stood there pondering the corpses the warrior, whose name I cannot recall all these years later, entered the room and attacked the elite guard. He was killed almost immediately and another corpse joined the pile.
This went on for a while, the corpse count growing, while several of us pondered what he was up to. Was this an attempt at an epic rage quit? Was he working on some sort of corpse based art project? Was this some sort of science project?
After a while, with many corpses on the ground, he gave up and went away. Somebody was casting preserve on the corpses so that they would not rot and disappear as quickly, but otherwise we had a bunch of empty player corpses and some speculation about what had just happened.
As it turned out, of our possible answer, the last one turned out to be correct. It was MUD science in action.
The player in question had apparently discovered that, in the character database, the key unique value for any character was the character’s name, as opposed to some unique never-seen number. And why not? Names were supposed to be unique in the world. So what linked anything in the world to your character… equipment, corpses, money… was your character’s name.
The player had also discovered that when you die, part of the information saved with the corpse was how much experience it should restore to you if you received a resurrection. When you died, you lost 25% of the experience of your current level. If you got a successful ress, about 80% of that lost experience was returned to you.
And, finally, the player had noticed that when you deleted a character, any corpses that character left behind remained in the game. The corpses were not tied to the character but were just objects in the world related to the character only because they were flagged with the character name.
Do you see where I am going with this?
So the player had taken his level 50 barbarian warrior, a somewhat common sort of character in the game and one of the easier classes to get up to level 50, and turned it into a pile of experience laden corpses strewn about the streets of Waterdeep.
The player then deleted what remained of that character, leaving the corpses behind.
The player then rolled up a new character, an enchanter, one of the most in-demand and difficult to level classes in the game. He gave this character the same name as the warrior he had just deleted. This character and name was approved by the admins… the naming rules were rigorously enforced by the people who ran TorilMUD… sort of… and this fresh level 1 enchanter entered the world.
This newly minted magic user made his way to Waterdeep, where a friendly cleric began resurrecting the corpses left behind by the old character. And it worked. The enchanter leveled up rapidly with each resurrection. The enchanter did not make it to level 50, or even level 40 if I recall right, but he got far enough into the level curve to get past the awkward “got no spells” and “got no useful spells” points in his career and straight into the “I have key spells that make me useful to a group” zone, wherein he could expect to find experience groups easily and be able to make his way to the level cap with some diligence.
Except, of course, for the whole part where he got caught almost immediately by the game admins.
The admins get a little message every time somebody levels up if they have the right feed turned on. So while I understand that the player in question waited until no admins were visible online, there were a couple on that were hidden. And they swooped down on him right away.
Now, this did not happen in the bad old days, when he likely would have been banned for life from ever playing TorilMUD. There was a time when the admins would ban whole blocks of IP addresses just to rid themselves of one person, occasionally screwing over somebody else in the process. But he had still be caught red-handed using an exploit to his own advantage. He lost his new enchanter, all his experience, and probably some equipment along the way. He was no doubt put on probation and might have even been given a temporary ban. But if I recall right, they did not actively seek to ban him for life or burn down his house or anything that might have happened if he had tried this in the early to mid 90s.
And, shortly thereafter, a fix went in that wiped out any corpses remaining in the world when you deleted a character.
Or so I recall.
That is the rub here. This happened nearly a decade ago. I was not directly involved. Everything I heard at the time was second or third hand and might have included a fair amount of speculation being passed off as fact. And, of course, my own memory might have enhanced the tale as well. The details might be totally out of alignment with what actually happened, and if you know something, feel free to correct me in the comments.
The essence of the tale is true though. Somebody got their character killed repeatedly, saved the corpses, deleted the character, created a new character with the same name, and received repeated resurrections that rapidly leveled up the new character. And I was around for bits of the whole thing. Well, at least the killing and corpses bit.
And the whole event certainly does say something about players. I am sure that this is covered somewhere in Raph Koster’s list of Laws of Online World Design.
I had actually forgotten about this event in TorilMUD history. I was only reminded of it when I read Psychodhild’s post about the reincarnation game mechanic in Dungeons & Dragons Online. That trigger the memory of somebody really attempting to recycle a character in order to bring it back as something new.
Which brings up the question if players ought to be allowed to do something with level cap characters that they do not play any more. Could you use that as a re-roll mechanism that bestowed some benefit or which acted as a gate to new content for another run to level cap?
Quote of the Day – Commandments of Online Worlds August 30, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, MMO Design.
Tags: Nostalgia, Quote of the Day
Thou shalt not mistake online worlds for games, for they encompass far more; nor shalt thou forget that play is noble, and game is no epithet.
Raph Koster, The Commandments of Online Worlds
A little over seven years ago Raph wrote his commandments post. It, and the resulting discussion in comments, feels like it is from another era. Of course, it is from before Zynga and gamification and free to play as the default revenue model, back when the idea of a virtual world had meaning to a lot more people.
I was reminded of this post because I was listening to VirginWorlds postcast #17 this morning. The show itself is a nice time capsule, having gone live back in July 2006. Brent talks about DarkFall, EA buying Mythic and what that could portend, The Burning Crusade expansion that was set to come out six months later, along with a discussion of subscription numbers and what they mean. Or meant.
Quote of the Day – Defending SWTOR… Badly August 21, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, MMO Design, Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Tags: Free-To-Play, Massively, Quote of the Day
Was this supposed to be sarcastic?
That was my exact thought when reading the Massively Hyperspace Beacon post Six misconceptions about SWTOR free-to-play.
The post purports to defend the SWTOR free to play model from people who “make it out to be something that it’s not.”
And yet, for me, the article managed to damn the game through defensiveness and hair splitting to the point that I really had to question if the author was secretly trying to undermine the game while pretending to be a fan. Was this SynCaine writing under a pseudonym? The author seemed more keen to reinforce than debunk a couple of his assertions. For anybody looking to play the game for the first time, the post is not much of an endorsement.
I certainly had some trouble reconciling that post with the words of SWTOR’s lead designer, who says he has gotten religion about free to play, and who recently wrote:
One of my mantras about being a free-to-play game is that, in order to call yourself that, your evangelists have to feel good about telling their casual friends, “Yeah, you can totally play for free!”
I guess you can still feel a little guilt for not telling your casual friends that the restrictions on free will come early and often and will seem at times like they are specifically designed to make the game frustrating to play unless you pay.
Not that such methods makes SWTOR unique in any way. I seem to recall that at one point somebody from SOE came right out and said that their model was to drive people to subscribe if they really wanted to play.  And LOTRO, which I have been playing a lot this summer, sure seems to have its hand out all the time, reminding me there is a cash shop almost constantly.
It comes with the territory, and doubly so with a subscription game that has been retrofitted into the model.
I have rambled on about my ambivalence towards the free to play model as currently implemented in popular MMORPGs. I can see the upside. New players, for example, are the life’s blood of such games, and free to play seems to be the only way to keep them showing up. But I can also see the cost, the fact that revenue generation always gets a primary focus. So if your model is based on unlocks and cash shop companions, that becomes the top priority and anything beyond that shares whatever resources are left.
The free to play model is certainly here to stay. I am just not sure if were “there” yet when it comes to the model maturing into something I am really happy with. But that might be a futile hope.
Projecting on to EverQuest Next July 30, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, EVE Online, EverQuest, EverQuest Next, MMO Design.
Tags: John Smedley, SOE Fan Faire, SOE Live
Enough about internet spaceships for the moment and on to a topic that will loom large this week.
We are going to hear a lot about EverQuest Next very shortly. The clock is running down and SOE Live (formerly SOE Fan Faire) will begin this Thursday.
The big news will be whatever John Smedley chooses to reveal about EverQuest Next. Everything else will pale by comparison. And the reason it will be big is that just over a year ago it was reported that SOE was throwing out their current plan, which included some very basic lessons learned, and going for a much more dramatic change. A year ago everything you knew about EQN was declared wrong.
So now we all wonder what we shall see. And I am sure that we all have some hopes or wishes. I have teased Keen about investing himself in the idea of the new game, and I see Wolfshead has come out of hibernation to issue a list of demands, which I tend to agree with in spirit if not exactly on a point by point measure. The heroes bit resonates with me especially.
So I too have been thinking about what is coming, but it is tough to know where to begin.
There is the word “sandbox” that gets thrown about, even by Smed. Especially by Smed. That has been his opening. But “sandbox” can mean so many things in so many circumstances that I am reluctant to hear get invested in that idea until I hear what the SOE definition of “sandbox” is.
And along with that, there are the realities of the SOE business model. They have completely declared for free to play.
Well, who hasn’t, aside from Blizzard these days?
But free to play brings with it certain requirements. A high amount of churn is expected. A lot of people will try the game and for them to become paying customers, the game has to welcome them in and hold their hand for a bit, and presumably not just to guide them to the edge of a cliff so as to be better positioned to push them over into the abyss, ala a certain internet spaceship game I said I was not going to write about.
So EQN cannot be EverQuest of old, letting you create a character then dropping you on the doorstep of Qeynos with a pat on the back and a “have fun!” There is a certain lowering of bars to be expected for the opening. In free to play you cannot frustrate people straight off, you do not have their money yet! You have to get them pointed in the right direction, teach them how to play, how to group, and how to interact. (Who does the last two nowadays?)
And then there is the StoryBricks angle. StoryBricks announced at one point… and then turned around and denied everything… then got permission from the right people so they could announce it… that they were involved with EQN, which would be ‘the biggest sandbox ever designed.’ There is that word again.
Anyway, StoryBricks, if I can borrow a phrase from somewhere, is about bringing NPCs to life. So, one might presume that we can expect a more complex relationship with the world of Norrath and its permanent citizens when we get to EQN. Quests are unlikely to go away or become less common, but one would hope that we might be asked to dine on more than the common staple of ten rats.
And then, despite the rework of the system, I suspect that what previously seemed to be the lessons learned from previous games will still have influence. I recounted them as:
- Single world without the need to load zones
- Instanced dungeons
- Low system requirements
- Stylized character models
- Fewer classes, relative to EQII
- PvP from day one and “done right”
A single seamless world sounds so “2004″ at this point, but I think it is important and I hope they stick to it.
Instanced dungeons will be controversial. Some insist that this kills the worldliness of a game. Frankly, some of my fondest memories at this point are of dungeon crawls with just our group without other people in chat, trying to rush past us, stealing mobs, or otherwise turning a group adventure into a bad trip to the mall. I think there is clearly a place for instanced content. It should be special and rare and have a connection to the full world. The instanced dungeons in World of Warcraft lost their charm for me when they ceased to be part of the world and, with the introduction of Dungeon Finder, became a way to avoid the world.
Low system requirements and stylized character models I think are pretty non-controversial on the surface. Not that SOE couldn’t screw this up and makes us hate it, but it could be good. And, with free to play in mind, it is probably a requirement.
Fewer classes relative to EQII. I have to agree. 24 classes at launch was too much. Adding a 25th years later was interesting, but not all that helpful.
PvP from day one and “done right” scares me. PlanetSide 2 hasn’t had a charmed existence in my world. I hope that “sandbox” doesn’t mean slaughter and fast respawns. It doesn’t have to. But SOE and PvP has something of a checkered past to my mind. I hear it was good in Star Wars Galaxies at launch, but what have they done since?
So given all of that, what dare I wish for? What would I like to see come to pass with EQN?
I would like to see a a lot less emphasis on levels and content that goes obsolete when you out level it. We have had Band-Aids applied to that problem in the form of various mentoring and leveling down schemes, but they have all been unsatisfactory to my mind. Yes, you have to have some sort of progression and character advancement. That is part of what drives many of us in MMOs. But our addiction to levels has to stop. They start off great, but always betray us in the end. They are a dead end street.
I couldn’t tell you how to replace levels, or even de-emphasize them sufficiently, but I hope that SOE has come up with something.
I want long, multi-stage quests like the heritage quests in EverQuest II. I realize that WoW does similar things with long chains of quests, but the start and stop breaks the concentration for me. Heritage quests are long term commitments, things you do not get done in a day, and which often require a group a various stages. I want that again.
While we’re on quests, and as a nod to my gripe about levels, I also wouldn’t mind seeing quests get out of the experience delivery business. They ought to reward items or equipment.
I want live, open world group content. I do not want to be able to solo every mob in the world. I do not want to have to go into an instance for every group experience.
And while we’re at it, I do not want to get punished for grouping. EverQuest had this about right. WoW did not. EQII started down the right path and then screwed up open world grouping completely. Trying to run our instance group through New Halas was an exercise in frustration because the whole thing expected you to solo.
I want my weapon choice to mean something. If I choose a sword over a dagger or an axe, I want that to mean I gain some benefit at the cost of something else. The damage per second calculation should not be my only factor in weapon choice. Lord of the Rings Online tried this, but I do not think they went far enough.
I want weapon skills back. I do not think I should spend ages swinging a sword and then suddenly pick up a spear and find myself equally adapt.
I would like to see crafting materials handled more in line with how EVE Online does things (sorry, internet spaceship reference again), where the materials do not change every ten levels. I want to be done with this sort of thing.
I want some staples that are in high demand and which anybody can harvest. And these should be good for making basic things. Then I want some rare items to mix in that can be used to create special things. And when I say rare, I mean rare. Special things should be special.
I want crafting to be a bit more… I don’t know… organic? Is that the word I want? Organic to the game as opposed to being something of a side effort where you make 38 blue silk hoods to level up your tailoring skill and then just vendor them because nobody wants them because the auction house is full of them being sold at under cost.
Speaking of the auction house, if you give me buy orders as part of things, you will probably exceed all my expectations. My view of such things is pretty low in the fantasy MMORPG realm.
And… and… and… well… a lot of things. I could ramble on ad nauseum about the minute and trivial. Basically SOE, make this all fit together with UI conventions that make sense. And what Keen said about stories. Mostly. You can tell me stories. You can make me part of stories. But just remember that my own stories about what happened to me and my friends, those are the ones that really matter.
So I am waiting to hear what Smed has to say. I realize that there are going to be compromises. They have a business to run and we live in the world of free to play where fantasy MMORPGs are over abundant. And I am going to hate some of the things he says this week. You watch. I know it will be true.
But I will be happy if I hear something new or different or exciting. It doesn’t have to be from my alternately vague and oddly specific and somewhat emotional list above. SOE is full of smart people. Hell, SOE has brought back some people who made EverQuest lately. They get it. They played TorilMUD and decided to bring that sort of experience into a 3D world. Find some of that essence for me. Combine the mundane into something beyond the sum of its parts, into something magical.
Make me believe again.
Is that too much to ask?
I will be watching EQ Next Wire for news about the game.
How about you? What do you want to see?
Tags: Summer Reruns
I was away over the weekend, so I did not get a chance to write anything last night.
Plus, it is summer, the MMO scene is pretty quiet right now, and nothing being added, changed, or launched this year looks be set to change the MMO market in the slightest.
MMOs have become pizza. They vary a bit from vendor to vendor. You might not like the ingredients from one, and another might not keep their place very clean. But they are all round and share about the same set of toppings and what not. And if you like pizza, you will probably find a place that suits you.
So, with that in mind, I thought I would recycle some of my attempts at serious thought about pizza… erm… MMOs. Some of these are more than five years old. Have things changed that much since?
- Rambling About Motivation and What Makes a Good Story
- The Commoditization of Roles
- “Innovate!” is the Mating Call of the Lazy Gamer
- The Real Problem with Levels
- On Making Better Players
- Group Size, Group Flexibility
- On Greater Challenges
- Steep Learning Curve? We Meant to do That!
- Why Does Tetris Get Faster?
- Chaos is King!
- Is There Hope for a Science Fiction MMORPG?
- Moving Towards a PvP World
Or is it more a matter of the more things change, the more they stay the same?
Anyway, this is an open invitation to comment on some old posts if nothing else.
Decisions and Inventory Management July 8, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, EVE Online, EverQuest, EverQuest II, Lord of the Rings Online, MMO Design, TorilMUD, World of Warcraft.
Tags: A lot of words, No Real Point
Why doesn't every MMO have a "sell all trash" button… first thing I notice when I play one that doesn't. Bag management is not fun ever.—
Belghast (@belghast) June 27, 2013
I must agree. I love that button. I feel that pain all the more because I am playing Lord of the Rings Online at the moment, which makes vendoring items about twice as annoying as most other MMO I have experienced. Meanwhile, Rift has put that button in the cash shop, so you can rid yourself of vendor trash wherever you may be.
Well… at least I agree at that instant, gut reaction, convenience level. Long live the button!
Hell, as one person responded to that tweet, why have gray items at all? If you want to reward players, just drop coin and be done with it.
But then I start thinking about how we got there in the first place, which seems to me to be a convergence of a couple of things.
First there is the reality of currency and the fact that wild animals rarely ever carry any at all. If you want to give your players a currency reward for every kill, then you have to do it indirectly with item drops or explain why your wildlife feels the need to have coinage on them at all times… and how they carry it.
Granted, these sorts of drops do not necessarily have to be vendor trash. LOTRO has turned those gray remains into quest items that generate a little experience and a small boost with the local faction, though in the end I still vendor them most of the time because I usually need cash more than faction.
I will call that the lesser reason for gray drops. It could be worked around it in all sorts of ways if you set your mind to it.
Then there is what I think of as the greater reason, which is essentially to drive us crazy.
Well, not explicitly. That is just a side effect for some.
It really is/was a way to put constraints around the game to force us to make choices rather than simply having things our own way. This aspect has some deep roots.
Much meandering on that after the cut.
The Feedback Issue – Which Weapon Should I Use? June 24, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, MMO Design, TorilMUD.
You were to adventure in the world and not focus on min/max or optimizing or beating the numbers. You were there to group up to go forth and find adventure. Your mind needed to be on the world described, not on some die roll.
Me, attempting to sum up the early philosophy of TorilMUD
Potshot latched onto this quote in a past post where I was going on about changes in TorilMUD.
The context was around the fact that TorilMUD is exposing more numbers to players.
The game, based on the early philosophy I mentioned above, strove at times to hide what we might consider some of the most basic numbers in the game. Rolling up a character required accepting stats that were not numbers, but just descriptions. You might see “average” or “above average” or “mighty,” each of which mapped to a range of values. The numbers were eventually revealed once you hit level 20, by which point you were presumably committed to a character, though if this was you 4th or 5th character, you probably had enough equipment stored away to twink them out, and enough knowledge of where to go, to get them to level 20 in maybe just 8 hours of game time.
That started to change over the years, especially during the latest incarnation of the game. And the changes were primarily justified as being about providing feedback to the players.
The first thing to change was how you could check on your level progression.
Back in the old days, you had to go all the way back to your class guild master and check on your experience, which resulted in messages like this:
The great druid Kaladan is ready to show you how to become one with nature.
Your guildmaster says ‘You are still a very long way from your next level.’
I think that meant I was between 20% and 29% into my current level. There was a different message for each 10% graduation per level. And while some of the messages were more obvious than that… before and after half way said just that and for the last 10% your guild master grinned in anticipation… it was still a pain to travel all the way back to town just to get a reading on your progress.
So that changed to a text version of a progress bar, then to a simple percentage read out, and, just recently, slaying mobs began reading out both an experience point value and a percentage like this:
You beautifully slash a burly sailor into two parts – both dead.
a burly sailor is dead! R.I.P.
A burly sailor slumps to the ground.
You receive 40,573 XP (1.07%) experience.
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of a burly sailor.
So there you go. It is now possible, 19 years after the MUD first started, to directly assess the value of a given mob. And the “exp” command tells you how much you need to get to the next level.
You are 5,101,956 XP (94.48%) away from your next level.
The problem is that we have now moved from levels being something of a mystery to levels becoming a mathematically precise certainty, which is a clear step away from the original philosophy of the game. The next step would seem to be to expose hit point values and damage rolls. Right now those are still hidden with verbiage.
You parry a burly sailor’s lunge at you.
A burly sailor’s attack only grazes you as you maneuver your mount!
A burly sailor slightly wounds you with his average hit.
Your mighty slash slightly wounds a burly sailor.
Your attack only grazes a burly sailor as he dodges aside!
Your strong slash barely wounds a burly sailor.
< 400h/427H 210v/210V >
< T: Kigev TC: few scratches E: burly EC: small wounds >
But is that the right direction? Must we always move towards exposing more numbers?
Certainly that is the easiest way to express feedback in a system that is made up of numbers. And if you are going to try and hide numbers, you have to come up with an effective way to provide feedback on some things that we might otherwise not consider, such as how to tell which weapon you ought to be swinging.
Weapon comparisons have been done with numbers… which pretty quickly got summed up in DPS ratings… for a long time now.
But could you do it without numbers. Could you look at a weapon, equip it, maybe try it in a fight or two, and get enough feedback to say whether or not this is what you out to be swinging.
I decided to check TorilMUD to see if perhaps weapons gave enough description for that sort of thing.
Certainly some do. The description for my Paladin’s holy avenger lets you know that this sword is something special.
This heavy sword has been crafted out of an unknown metallic alloy, the exact nature of which is known only to the gods. The long blade gives off a soft and warming radiance, even as the edges glint dangerously. A hilt long enough for two hands to grip firmly has been decorated with kingfishers and the pommel is crafted to look as though a dragon maw is gripping a brilliant pearl. Flaring crossguards sweep up, masterfully tapering into the appearance of talons that meet the bright blade.
After the long quest to obtain it, you were probably pretty sure it was going to be hot stuff in any case. But what about further down the food chain? I decided to look at weapons that new players might pick up, to see if I could correctly pick the best weapon by looking at the description. In order to limit the range and to keep to places I knew well, I focused on the areas outside of Leuthilspar, the elven starting area.
In some of the old haunts I was able to pick up five weapons from various mobs to see what their descriptions said.
Name: a bronze sword
Description: The sword is fairly small yet broad, with a thick leather handle. It looks perfect for close in encounters.
Name: a small sword
Description: The small sword seems to have an inscription of some sort.
Name: a long sword
Description: you see nothing special
Name: a cudgel made of stonewood
Description: This blunt, short club is made from a special type of wood which is hard as stone. Crafted by the special skill of the faeries the club is impervious to damage.
Name: a wooden spear
Description: This wooden stick is almost but not completely straight, it is about two feet in length. Sharpened to a point it makes a crude but usable weapon as demonstrated by the dried blood on its tip.
So, given those five choices, which would you choose, assuming you have chosen the warrior’s path and are thus likely not to face any class restrictions?
Actual stats after the cut.
Do We Still Hate 60% of our Dungeon Group? June 6, 2013Posted by Wilhelm Arcturus in entertainment, MMO Design, polls, World of Warcraft.
Tags: DPS, Group Roles
In writing yesterday’s post about TorilMUD I ended up reading through a bunch of older posts on the subject. That always happens. It is, frankly, one of the reasons I have a blog.
One of the posts I ended up re-reading was from February 2011 about what I called the Commoditization of Roles.
In that post I was trying to explore the holy trinity of tank, healer, and damage and how that trio really wasn’t a “thing” until it World of Warcraft went that direction, and that once the Dungeon Finder came in, the whole thing was set in stone.
The Dungeon Finder only works because Blizz has built content that requires three roles in a specific ratio; 1 Tank, 1 healer, and 3 DPS. So roles become a commodity in a sense, each class has talent trees that reflect specific roles, and if you want to play in such groups you have to adopt one of those roles.
It is practically an analogy for the move from individual craftsmen to the production line. Dungeon Finder remains a massive success… in terms of how many people use it, if nothing else… because because every player has to be one of the three types of widgets the machine uses.
Old news, I know. And I am going to assume, not having used it, that the Raid Finder codified the ratio of roles in raid groups as well.
Anyway, part of the background noise that got me to write that post was a considerable amount of hate being directed at players who chose the DPS role. They were, to quote somebody who commented on that post, “dumb DPS” and/or “lazy lords.” And that attitude was echoed pretty far and wide. Tobold, for example, called DPS players selfish simply for choosing that role.
About 18 months have gone by since then and I haven’t heard much on the topic lately, which makes me wonder if people have gotten over that or if we just have bigger fish to fry.
So with an eye to picking at an old scab that might not be healed, I have a poll.
What do you think of 60% of your Dungeon Finder group?