EVE – The Temptation

I have not been playing much EVE Online lately.

I have been minding the economic store, doing some production, and hauling what needs to be hauled, but I have not put a lot of effort into it.

Needless to say, I still have not purchased that freighter I had my eye on a while back.  There is no point in spending the ISK if I am not playing that much.

Then my subscription came due.  I pay by the quarter, so I am good until almost March.  But I realize that, with just ISK in the bank, I could buy time codes and keep playing into 2010, at least on my main account.

It would mean no freighter and, of course, contributing to an RMT scheme, but it is tempting.

11 thoughts on “EVE – The Temptation

  1. Letrange

    Actually I’m not sure it REALLY equates to an RMT scheme. Here’s why:

    With true RMT (which is against most EULAs) someone plays the game to acquire some in game currency or good, then sells said good to an other player for real world currency. The Farmer and or Middleman profits, and usually no taxes are paid on the transaction (possibly illegal depending on region)

    With EVE You may be buying time cards, but did you ever wonder where those came from? Here’s how it works: Player A has more realworld money than time to play eve. They buy (and pay CCP and get taxed on the transaction) a Time card (this is just like buying a 60 day time card in WoW). The thing that then happens is that some guy Player B with more isk than they know what to do with wants to stop spending real world money on the game. So they buy the time card from Player A. The thing is that from the point of view of CCP all time for all characters is paid for by real world currency (at one point or another). From the point of view of the tax man/government all transactions are standard realworld dollars for game time services clear and above board – so long as CCP honors the commitment and the user does not violate the EULA there’s no beef on their side.

    Yes player A gets game time for Isk, Player B gets Isk for game time which they bought with cash from CCP (and of course their own game time for more cash), CCP gets cash for game time on both accounts, the big difference here is NO third party gets cash for in game virtual goods all the cash transactions are for gametime between individuals and CCP.


  2. Robert Schultz

    The time code buy/sell system provided by CCP (makers of Eve) is awesome.

    It’s Win, Win, Win.

    Player A is happy because he can just ‘buy’ the in game ISK he wants without spending his ‘precious’ time to earn it in game.

    Player B is happy because he can buy food that month and eat instead of having to go hungry because he had to feed his addiction to Eve.

    CCP is happy because they have two active, happy players.

    Without the official system in place, there is a VERY good chance CCP could lose BOTH players.


  3. Wilhelm2451 Post author

    @Letrange – I’m an engineer with accountants for parents, so I tend to try to reduce things down to simple tests. In the absence of a solid definition of RMT, I choose to define it as “any mechanism by which one can convert real money into in-game items.” That can then be divided into company sponsored and black market variations. While CCP does not actually sell you the ISK, they provide the forum, the mechanism, and the currency, so I have to say they have a sponsored RMT system in operation, analogous to the way that Station Exchange works.

    @RS – Actually, I probably sounded somewhat negative when, in fact, I am somewhat indifferent to RMT. But I am probably the ideal demographic for RMT, as I have reached the age where time is my gating factor, not money. On the other hand, I am still a big enough cheapskate that I think, “I’m not paying $10 for that!”

    @Werit – Well, I was at low ebb money wise when I lost my Drake to pirates back in mid-February. I had less than 60 million ISK. Now I have about 1.9 billion. And I’ve been drifting since early November. But that Feb-to-Nov run was also done with 2 accounts. So it is hard to say. I think I might be able to manage a free account by just running a good level 4 mission every day, fully looting and salvaging, and selling the goodies at market rate. About 200 salvaged armor plates will buy a 30 day time code, unless the market rate for either has changed a lot.

    @GW – It is the ant and the grasshopper story, isn’t it?


  4. Letrange

    Fair enough, I tend to define it as the other direction anything that converts in game items/currency into real world currency for someone. In this particular scheme you can’t do that.


  5. Ezra Steel

    I guess the real underlying question is, Why haven’t you been playing much?

    EVE is a game that I find hard to put down. It has a depth and richness that few, if any , games can match. If you find yourself bored with one aspect of the game, there are plenty of other facets that you might want to explore.

    My Best,


  6. Saylah

    @Robert – I think EVE has done very well to implement this option. Clearly some players value their time over grinding and find other things about a game as a measure of progression. The fact that some players can also pay for their gaming habit in this manner is wonderful. We read about people leaving MMOs because they can’t afford to pay for more than X games. That doesn’t have to be an issue with EVE.

    @Wilhelm – I’m actually surprised that a sanctioned form of RMT bothers you. I hadn’t realized that before. You’ve put a lot of time, thought and effort into amassing your ISK. If it can do something for you now like pay your subscription during a time you’re not playing that much, it seems like a great option.


  7. Wilhelm2451 Post author

    @Saylah – As I said in a comment above, I’m more indifferent which, coupled with natural cheapskatedness (new word!) on my part, tends to steer me away. For example, I am annoyed by SOE’s Station Cash more because the offerings are so useless and so expensive than because SOE sprang RMT on us.

    CCP annoys me a bit because they have on a couple of occasions put up long posts about how their ISK for Time Codes mechanism isn’t really sanctioned RMT. It is rather like a topless club taking pride in the fact that nobody is fully naked and claiming to thus be family oriented.

    I don’t think CCP should necessarily buy AdSense placement for “Buy ISK Now” banners, but their splitting hairs smacks of the old “it depends on what the definition of “is” is” that brother Bill trotted out before a live studio audience with the resulting boost to his credibility.


  8. Saylah

    I see. I guess if I could be accused of being a fanboi of a development house it’s CCP. I like the innovation and uniqueness of the game they built in EVE even though I usually like the idea of it more than actually playing. :-) If they produce a fantasy game with active body-bound content, it will probably suit me more so than EVE has thus far. I’m always tempted to go back to EVE.


  9. Beowolf Shaefer

    Personally I like the CCP RMT scheme. It does at least keep the real currency of game time consistent and doesn’t really let anyone with RL money get past other players in any real way other than being able to get more done in less play time. Considering the number of EvE players who are adults and have RL jobs to deal with its a nice option to be able to still get the most out of the time you do have available.

    Wilhelm, if you are not getting the fun you are looking for out of EvE for now I think that IS a problem. Personally in my experience this can usually be traced back to the people you are flying with. If you are in a good corp with goals and plans to make them happen then you won’t find yourself bored. I would suggest taking a bit of time to check out the recruitment forums and find something new you haven’t tried out. If your corp buddies are understanding they won’t mind you leaving and coming back later.

    I too ran into a bit of EvE exhaustion recently and found faction warfare to be a nice respite as well. Maybe give that a shot.

    Good luck and keep the eve posts coming!


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