Another Day, Another Fortizar Down in Hakonen

Last night was the return match.  After Monday’s fight another Fortizar was put down in the same spot in Hakonen.

Second Fortizar coming online

There was a Fireside chat scheduled before operations were supposed to begin, which was marred by network issues that dropped a large portion of the audience off the server.  “Something, something, fleets will be going up…” was about all I got.

Fleets did go up.  There was a ping for two Typhoon fleets and a Jackdaw fleet as well as a call for capital ships to be ready.  And there were a few special fleets forming up, including another small ECM Burst fleet, which I joined.

We were in the same Atrons with the same plan.  Since the Fortizar had been dropped in the same position as the previous one, our perch bookmarks were all still viable as well, though I went out beforehand and burned out to make a few more.

We formed up, Atrons were handed out to the people who hadn’t been on the Monday op, and went over the “how to” of the fleet.

It looked like our bookmarks might be troublesome.  The new ones I burned were a little closer in than the originals and there was a gang of five Raptors zipping around the area, not too far from one of my perches.  They got close enough to another pilot in our fleet to decloak and blow him up.  As they edged towards me I weighed the option of decloaking and warping off versus just sitting tight.  I chose the latter, which turned out okay.

The timer was counting down on the Fortizar, our fleets were undocking, and the enemy subcap fleets started landing on grid.  There looked to be two Machariel fleets and an Abaddon fleet, supported by Apostles.  Once on grid they lit a cyno and more Apostles jumped in along with a fleet of super carriers with four titans for support.  The arrival of these fleets and their supporting ships drove the roving third parties off and my perch was never in peril after that.

As the timer hit zero there were about 2,600 people in system and the time dilation was very light.  And then everybody, launched fighters, dropped drones, or otherwise opened fire and tidi quickly got down to 10%.

Opening the fight around the fort

Our little ECM Burst contingent did not have as much to do this time around.  The battleship fleets ended up a toe-to-toe slugging match, running smart bombs to clear drones and fighters.  In this situation we had to take care where we dropped lest we end up annoying our side as much as our foes.

So there were runs on the periphery and runs where we had to warp off without running our busts.  We tagged a few people, though some runs were pretty minimal in effect.

Two from my own fleet

The outcome of the Fortizar itself did not seem at all in doubt.  The repair timer was paused by damage just seven seconds into its fifteen minute count down and stayed fixed at that point throughout the fight.

Repair timer paused

So for a while I was mostly sitting on a perch, cloaked up, and able to watch the fight unfold.  Not a bad view.

TEST showed up again with their Nightmare fleet and joined in shooting NCDot, PL, and their assorted allies.  There was a sore temptation to take a shot at one of the Nightmares in the fleet, but we focused on the enemy at hand, leaving other scores to be settled later.

Its like a friend coming to your party with your ex

Then somebody noticed a couple of enemy super carriers warping off in somewhat random directions.  In a battle like this there are always lots of disconnects, and when you get disconnected your ship automatically warps off to a distant spot in space.  However, the ship is still in the game and can be probed down.  Azure and Argent, our FC, had us change fitting to add a warp scrambler and set us off to join in hunting these missing super carriers.

The first was a Nyx.  A Broadsword heavy interdictor had landed on it already and started to tackle it.

Broadsword and the Nyx

He then lit off a cyno and soon some friendly dreadnoughts started landing on grid with the Nyx.  The pilot had reconnected by then and was trying to get himself turned about and back to the relative safety of his fleet.  However, the dreadnoughts neuted out his capacitor as they oped their attack on him.

Nags on grid taking down the Nyx

I managed to get in close enough to get in a few hits… and take a few hits from the smartbomb the Nyx was running… so was on the kill mail.

We went after a second Nyx, but it was down before I arrived on scene, while a third Nyx just managed enter warp to escape as dreadnoughts were landing on it.

That seemed to be about the extent of the disconnect super kills to be had and we headed back to refit and then went to our perches to join back in the main fight.

The situation had changed some since we left.  While the Fortizar still seemed as unlikely to survive as ever, TEST had dropped a ball of dreadnoughts on grid at range to try to long distance volley faxes and super carriers.  Thi caused NCDot and PL to cyno in titans, who turned their doomsday weapons on the dreadnoughts.  The big guns were out and anybody who had not previously seen a doomsday in action got their chance as they shot dread after dread.  TEST ended up sustaining a third of the losses on our side of the battle, about 94 billion ISK, due to dreads being popped.

We only made one more run in to fire our ECM Burst projectors before we were told we could dock up.  I stayed on grid, cloaked up again at one of my perches, so see the Fort explode.  It had been a long fight for a week night, passing the three hour mark, and people were clearly ready to be done.  The hostiles were jumping out of the system even as explosions began to erupt on the doomed citadel.

Flames begin to appear on the Fortizar

The battle itself had about the same exchange rate as Monday night, favoring the foes in about a 70/30 split.  However, looking at the battle report, the total destruction was much greater, with almost three times the ISK destroyed, though only about 300 more ships were blown up.  Throwing in dreads and killing some super carriers no doubt added to the growing ISK total.

Battle report header

There also were not as many random third parties showing up.  The alliance list on Monday was much longer.

And so the battle was over.  I somehow missed getting a PAP link, but I imagine that I will get enough while we’re deployed to not sorely miss one.

The post-battle bit of “story time” where we head a bit about what happened indicated that we had dropped small citadels in Tribute set to come out at the same time as the Fortizar, so the enemy would have to choose.  They chose to kill the Fort, which would have been a major strategic asset to us, but now we have places to hole up in the middle of their territory, places where fleets can linger and dreadnoughts can safe up and wait to drop on targets.

Now we’re building replacements for many of the hulls we lost thanks to the Raitaru and Abzel we have in Hakonen, while the Jita market is booming because of the resupply efforts of both sides.  Now would be a very lucrative time to have a researched Tyhpoon BPO.

That is my own limited view of the battle.  Other reports I have seen so far:

And, of course, sitting on a perch, watching the fight, means I have plenty of screen shots.  We shall see when round three comes up.

4 thoughts on “Another Day, Another Fortizar Down in Hakonen

  1. Asher

    I wouldn’t put Test on our side on the BR, I don’t have any control over PGL dropping dreads on anything.

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  2. Wilhelm Arcturus Post author

    @Asher – I get that, and I did call out their losses separately because of that, but to get a nice, concise BR header that is legible and only 650 pixel wide I can’t do three columns. Constraints of the format.

    Them bringing GigX along demonstrates that this is cooperation due to convenience.

    Also, I remember your podcast where you mentioned the level of commitment to a fight that Cerbs and Nightmares represent, so I was interested to see that TEST would go from a doctrine that can get away to dropping dreads.

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  3. Dinsdale Pirannha

    Yawn….270 billion lost, before insurance and salvage.
    The alts still ratting in Delve cranked out more than that during the day.

    Until you add a zero to the total destruction in these fights, this “war” is just Thunderdoming, for the benefit of CCP’s marketing team. This was was cooked up with discussions with CCP. Wonder what more concessions goons and the other cartels negotiated with CCP to engage in this fight.

    Because while these losses are definitely little more than a rounding error for the cartels, there is definitely a significant opportunity cost IF a character sitting in a Hurricane instead could be sitting in super-carrier earning 260 M ticks. Of course, if that Hurricane char is little more than a ThunderDome monkey, and not used in the production end of the RMT industry, well, then that opportunity cost suggestion goes up in smoke.

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  4. Wilhelm Arcturus Post author

    @Dinsdale – You sure aren’t paying much attention if you think alts are ratting as usual in Delve. Go watch the Delve killboard and look at all the carriers and Rorqals getting blown up. As you seemingly fail to grasp, happy ratting and mining cannot occur if all your combat pilots are away. It is being mentioned all over.

    Also, CCP Quant said that exactly one person achieved a 260m ISK tick and only once. It is a complete outlier of a number where 150m is closer to the norm, and people only use it as a parody of bad data. But then, I guess that fits right in with your bad logic.

    We’ll revisit this when the Monthly Economic Report for August comes out next month. How are you going to explain a large drop in ratting and mining in Delve?

    Anyway, we know you don’t actually care about RMT. When asked how RMT works, you could only come up with an illogical fantasy about Goons as a criminal organization that, among other things, did not explain how RMT works. But at least your motivations were made clear by your own words. To sum up, “Grrr Goons.”

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