The October EVE Update Claims to Bring Balance

But as we know, one person’s balance is another person’s horrific nerf.

Probably the biggest change coming with the October release is an update to electronic counter measures, of ECM.

Backbirds jamming in the dead of night

ECM effects, target jamming and other debuffs, are frustrating when you’re the target.  You just sit there watching the  indicator cycle down, unable to do anything about it, hoping that the RNG goes in your favor for the next cycle.

In an effort to alleviate this, CCP has made a change so that the ship being jammed can always target the ship jamming it.

I guess if you are in a fleet fight this might give you something to do.  As a logi pilot the jamming ships are often outside of my drone range, so about the best I can do is yellow box the jammer and hope they get nervous.

But if you’re in a small gang this simply makes ECM ships more vulnerable, and if you were using ECM to escape one on one encounters previously, that plan is now pretty much a bust.

There is talk of CCP boosting the survivability of ECM ships in the future, but for now they are more vulnerable.

The next item up is interdiction nullification.  This is a null sec thing.  About five years ago CCP made a change to interceptors that basically allows them to ignore warp disruption bubbles.

Fear no bubbles!

This has been controversial since it went in.  It made travel ‘ceptors a thing.  If you fit your interceptor so it can align in under two seconds you can move pretty safely through null sec space. (Just watch out for Asher in that smart bombing titan on a gate.)

The problem is that it also makes interceptor-only fleets pretty much impossible to pin down.  It is one thing to have some strategic cruisers with the interdiction nullification subsystem, like the Slippery Pete Tengus of past glory, zipping about playing hit and run.  They at least have to sacrifice some capability to get that and they cost a lot of ISK.   But when you have a fleet of arty fit Claw interceptors zipping in and out, quick to align, quick to shoot, and quick to warp off, blapping ships in your fleet one by one without much skin in the game, that gets on your nerves.

So, in the grand CCP tradition of half measures and compromises that make nobody happy, CCP removed interdiction nullification from some interceptors.

The combat interceptors (Claw, Crusader, Raptor, Taranis) will no longer have that null sec super power.  The reign of the Fozzie Claw may be coming to an end.

However, the fleet interceptors (Stiletto, Malediction, Crow, Ares) will keep interdiction nullification.  We shall see if this changes anything or if there will just be a new interceptor doctrine based on one of these hulls.

The Crow also had its agility number dropped as part of this.  Is a 2 second aligning Crow even possible?

The best part of this however will be the people who don’t read the patch notes and who end up getting stuck in a bubble and blown up wondering what just happened.  It is a good thing that I opted for the Ares as my default travel ‘ceptor I guess.

Exoplant SKIN Ares on the move still

Next up was a change meant to fix a mechanics exploit with heavy interdictors that looked to screw over wormhole space.  CCP used the phrase “unwilling collateral damage” right up front.  Not being a hictor pilot nor a wormholer, I didn’t quite get what was going on with this, just that wormholers were getting the short end of the stick.  In the end, however, CCP created a new module… the zero point mass entangler… to address this and the wormholer’s ability to roll holes in high mass hictors will go unchanged.  I think.  There is a forum thread about it.

Also on the “fixes for null sec” list were two changes to titans.

The first was discovered in the recent war.  It turned out that if a group of titans used their doomsday weapon on a capital and killed it in a single volley, those titans could then re-tether on a citadel in a minute rather than facing the five minute post-doomsday restrictions in place for other actions such as jumping or cloaking.  That has now been changed and a titan that fires its doomsday will now be unable to tether up again until the five minute timer has passed.

In addition, the minor splash damage effect that exploding titans had was removed.  CCP had said in the past that they didn’t think that this was causing any performance problems in large null sec fleet battles, but everybody involved has been harping on this for so long that I get the feeling CCP just said, “Sure, fine, whatever, we’ll take it out. Are you happy now?” so they could get on to other performance related issues without having to hear about exploding titan splash damage over and over.  Sometimes you just have to do this sort of thing.

More generally there was also a change to the slot layout of the Triglavian Damavik frigate.

A damaged Damavik

It loses a low slot but gains a mid, giving the hull three of each.  People said a frigate with only two mid slots wouldn’t be viable, and they were right.

Otherwise there were the usual round of small fixes, many focused on graphical fidelity, with an item thrown in there designed to make me grind my teeth:

  • Additional dungeon assets have been upgraded to the latest shaders.

It isn’t that I don’t want various mission assets upgraded to the latest shaders, it is that I hate when CCP refers to mission spaces as “dungeons.”  This is a long standing gripe and no I won’t ever get over it.  This isn’t Space WoW.

So that is it for October.  The update is already live. (That page has the links to the feedback and known issues threads.)  You can find the original ideas for the October balance pass in this dev blog.  They didn’t get to the Force Auxiliaries this time.

To see what did get changed there are the patch notes and the updates page to guide you.

Between now and November we have EVE Vegas.  That falls on October 19-21 and I expect it will be there that we’ll hear about the “next big thing” for EVE Online.  There is generally a big, named expansion at this end of the year.  Optimists hope for the next great feature that will revive the game while pessimists expect a Pearl Abyss enforced cash shop nightmare.  Reality will probably be somewhere in between.

3 thoughts on “The October EVE Update Claims to Bring Balance

  1. anypo8

    First off, I share your incredulity about “dungeons”. I always thought it was stupid and I still do. “This isn’t Space WoW” indeed.

    More importantly, as you pointed out, both the ECM change and the ‘ceptors compromise are a pain in the behind for folks trying to peacefully travel in New Eden.

    The change to nullification means that I’m going to have to replace a whole bunch of Raptors I have floating around with Ares. This is expensive for a poor like myself, but even more so it’s a giant pain. And who’s to say they won’t nerf the other ‘ceptors next month?

    The ECM change, as you say, may or may not do much in fleet or small-gang battles, but it makes my maxed-out ECM skills pretty much useless at escaping gate camps, which was all I ever used them for anyway. Nerfing ECM drones is doubly annoying: now I’ve got a drone bay that’s pointless to fill with anything for these ships. Sure would like those skill points back, and buying a skill extractor and injector just isn’t going to cut it on a number of levels.

    Travel in New Eden has always been stupidly, cancerously slow and tedious. I’ve been winning EVE for several months, for reasons described previously. Realizing that I’m going to have to make all those tedious click-waits to get anywhere without even much of the minor safety from gatecamps I had before makes me extra-unlikely to come back.

    When I complained about all this in a highly-downvoted Reddit post today, CCP Fozzie responded with a video clip from The Holy Grail: “I fart in your general direction.” Ah well. Fozzie’s Mother smells of elderberries.

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  2. Mailvaltar

    I still don’t think the much proclaimed cash shop armageddon will actually be a thing.
    There might be some changes, sure, but I’d bet money that we won’t see something like “buy 10 mil skillpoints” or “buy fully fitted Titan” in the store anytime soon.

    As I’ve said before Black Desert’s cash shop isn’t nearly as P2W-heavy as others out there in my opinion, so I can’t imagine why Pearl Abyss would be inclined to push EVE in such a direction.

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  3. Wilhelm Arcturus Post author

    @anypo8 – I remember reading patch notes back when I started playing and seeing CCP use the word “dungeons” and wondering what in the hell they meant.

    I’ve always viewed the annoyance of travel in New Eden as something of a feature that gives specific locations meaning in its way. But I also have the maximum number of jump clones you can get and I hate having to schlep a cruiser 27 gates after a deployment to the point that dying to a gate camp along the way is almost a blessing at times. At least I get the insurance money.

    @Mailvaltar – There is a pretty solid overlap between people who are really angry about the Pearl Abyss deal and people who get really angry about a lot of things. I fail to follow the logic of their argument, that Pearl Abyss is going to destroy something they just paid $425 million for.

    Also, I just saw on Twitter that in BDO you have to build a fort before you can participate in wars, so maybe they have some helpful advice on the long festering war dec issue.

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