PAPI Begins Pulling Out of Delve

Starting at peak EUTZ prime time yesterday PAPI finally put their long anticipated attack plan into motion.  They pushed a large number of subcaps through the gate between 1DQ and T5ZI while simultaneously black ops bridging strategic cruiser fleets into systems within the O-EIMK constellation in order to try and gain some sort of foothold.

O-EIMK Constellation – Aug 2, 2021

Pings went out for fleets on both sides.  It happened to be lunch time for me so I was able to jump in and get in the Mister Vee Eagle fleet, which warped off to the T5ZI gate in 1DQ in order to help with the defense.  Other fleets joined in and super carriers undocked and sent their fighters to the gate as well.

Off to the defense in the bubble sphere around the gate

Even as I logged in tidi was hitting 10% and there were more than 2,000 capsuleers in 1DQ, a number that would pass 4,000 at the peak of the battle.

It did not go well for PAPI.  Fleets coming through the gate into 1DQ were met with a hail of fire.  While they concentrated on the HAW dreads, Imperium forces chewed through their subcaps.

Ships in the bubbles

While the main line of the Imperium forces held the line in 1DQ, The Initiative moved out to contain the strategic cruiser drops elsewhere in the constellation, thwarting their plans, catching them refitting on a Nestor and destroying them, leaving PAPI few options.  When The Initiative was through with their mission they jumped through into T5ZI to shoot PAPI members attempting to retreat from the battle in 1DQ.

The battle report shows PAPI lost almost 3,000 ships in the clash.

Battle Report Header

The clash was enough to top the peak concurrent user number from the previous week, with 27,350 accounts logged into the game at the height of the battle.

Even before the fight in 1DQ was done there were reports that Legacy alliances were starting to unanchor structures in the areas they had taken from the Imperium, which came as a bit of a surprise to their allies.

As that news began to spread the alliances in PAPI started announcing to their members that they would be pulling out of Delve.  TEST declared victory and then said they would be leaving Delve, Querious, and Period Basis, the territory that they had vowed to live in when the war was done.

Over in the Brave meeting Dunk Dinkle was much more candid about the outcome, declaring that the Imperium had won because we were able to hold together even as the attackers started coming apart, and that they needed to leave Querious to escape the wrath of The Mittani who had apparently extended an offer to change sides about six months back.

On the Imperium side there was much rejoicing.

Celebratory doomsdays on the capitol Keepstar

We stood up to almost the entire rest of null sec for more than a year and came out the other end still in possession of our capitol and most of our assets.  I personally have very few items waiting for me in asset safety from structure losses as we had time and space to retreat back into Delve and then into 1DQ.  And we certainly had more than enough ships and pilots to repel PAPI’s final attack.

As for the war, it is far from over.  The Imperium has only become more charged up with this news.  There is much work to be done.

PAPI still needs to extract themselves from Delve.  The coalition will need to hold tight to get away safely lest the avenging Goons catch them and defeat them in detail.  Some groups will be able to safely retire back to their space.  I can’t see us going across null sec to try and attack Pandemic Horde or Fraternity, and some of the alliances that were in PAPI mostly in name towards the end will probably walk away without much impact.

But Legacy Alliance in general, and TEST in particular… if they think there will be peace living next door in their old space, they are sadly mistaken.  We all remember Vily declaring this a war of extermination against The Imperrium.  And he didn’t say that on fleet coms or in a Legacy town hall or on Talking in Stations, but to a major gaming news site.

When we started this war, we knew that we were fighting this to the end,” Vily told Polygon. “For us, this is a war of extermination. This is a war to the death. We are aiming for the removal of Mittani and The Imperium from Eve Online. […] We are here to purge them.

-Vily, in an interview with Polygon about the war

So expect that to come back to haunt him and those who follow him going forward.

Progodlegend suggested in his initial statement I listened to that TEST would just go back and take up residence in their old space… presumably after evicting some of the Imperium allies who now own a lot of it.  He blamed not being able to defeat the Imperium on game mechanics and claimed that anybody could hole up in a constellation and defend it indefinitely.   However, he didn’t seem keen to test that theory as it later came out that TEST would be headed for the Dronelands, on the eastern side of New Eden, far from Goons.  We’ll see if that is far enough.

As for who won, both sides will claim victory via various metrics and calculations.  Less than a month ago I speculated as to how the war might end.  I was wrong in thinking that PAPI wouldn’t just walk away I guess.  But I did point out that the usual ending in New Eden is that one side gives up and goes away, retreats from the field of conflict and finds a home elsewhere.  In my experience we rarely count that side the winner.

For the moment there is still a celebratory mood in 1DQ.

More V for Victory formations

We withstood the onslaught.  Now to see how the reverse of the flow plays out for us.  The last chapter of World War Bee has yet to be written.


5 thoughts on “PAPI Begins Pulling Out of Delve

  1. yadot

    Thanks for the post Wilhelm, I was trying to make sense of reddit and failing. I guess my prediction back in September was close to the mark.
    09/30/2020 – WWBII will be over, the PanFam and allies will have disintegrated spectacularly – Goons, whether you like them or not, will remain in the game, in some form or other, regardless of all the noise.


  2. Nogamara

    Congratulations, I guess. Can’t express how happy I am that this is over, although not with the outcome I had hoped for. Now the game only needs to become more fun again (for me) :)

    On the other hand, first losing Catch and moving all the stuff was annoying, and now retreating from Querious again… le sigh. Maybe I shouldn’t hoard so much stuff?


  3. Wilhelm Arcturus Post author

    @Yadot – Yeah, as things wrapped up yesterday /r/eve became more chaotic than usual. It didn’t help that it was Meme Monday, which tends to be a spammy day for openers.

    @Nogamara – Yeah, that was a sudden change of direction. I need to earn some ISK now. I blew half my remaining ISK to build up a stockpile of ships for the final battle… and didn’t lose one during the fight.


  4. Alexander Wong

    Congrats to your victory! I especially liked your actions in week 12, 14, 27, and 36! It was entertaining to watch.

    I’m not sure how TEST can declare “victory.” Imagine if a bunch of Goons suddenly had some real life issues all at the same time and realized they wouldn’t be online for more than 3 hours a week for a year and they had no ability to retaliate against TEST since there are a lot of rookies in the lower ranks of the Imperium. So the Imperium decides to not attack TEST where the following two things are true 1, they have a functioning citadel even a Astrahus, and 1 TEST held the system before the war. This is a very unrealistic rosy picture for them, but let’s say this happens since it is physically possible.

    So their stated goal was extermination of the Imperium and in the rosy scenario they have almost Status Quo Antebellum, get none of the deserved retribution, minus a lot of assets, some minor systems, and minus a subcapital line to high sec. and the Imperium will get back all its systems and have most of its assets. But apparently it’s a “victory”? Eh? If I didn’t know better I’d say that their leaders were Chinese and fumbled English and what they really wanted was to destroy Imperium upwell structures and TCUs and now they think they’re done so “victory.”

    So for the Imperium to declare victory, they can just say they got what they wanted out of the war. They could say it was survival. They could decide it’s revenge. Or maybe they’ll say the goal was survival and revenge is a side operation, meaning they already won even if their vengeance is much smaller scope than the want.

    I was rooting for you guys all along. Funny thing, I did the opposite in the Casino War. At that time, my friend lost 3 freighters to Goons in High Sec and I hated high sec gankers with a passion (I now only dislike them) and didn’t realize many corporations do it. The other reason I was rooting for the Money Badgers is that part of them had a bunch of low-sec alliances that I was a fanboy of (and still am). People forgot the start of the war. It started with the Imperium attacking some lowsec alliances and getting beaten up. Not the casinos. The Imperium was already losing, their attacks failed, their moons taken, and then the low sec groups sent small groups to kill Goon ratters (for some reason, just ratters which are apparently a bigger challenge than miners so more bragging rights). At this point, after the Imperium had lost so many ships against the low sec alliances and now their ratters were being picked off, now Lenny Kravitz2 hired a bunch of groups. Yes, by the time the casinos got involved the Imperium was already losing. The new coalition included all those low sec groups and big blocks like TEST joined, TEST wanted to fight but was too broke. Also, the first time I heard of the Goons was the Band of Brothers fight which I thought was an underhanded way to win even though I wasn’t even a player at that time.

    Fast forward to World War Bee 2. I was oddly rooting for the Imperium. Some of this was a change in my viewpoints. I still hate high sec ganking, but now I realize many alliances do it and I don’t hate them as much as I used to. This war didn’t start off by any one side picking on the low sec alliances I am a fanboy of. It was one side declaring the attempt to wipe the other off the map. I didn’t really care if one side or the other lost all sovereignty. So I just sat back and watched the fireworks.

    For unrelated reasons, I started hating on Fraternity. But I don’t root for a side because side A has people I hate and side B has people I’m indifferent to.

    I think it was seeing FWST-8 I started to like the Imperium. Or rather I wanted you guys to win even if I’d go back to indifference later. It was so cool watching you guys fight. To me, both sides were providing entertainment to me. I watched three separate people in subcapitals stream their fights in that battle and I just loved it. So the war was providing me entertainment, one side had an alliance I didn’t like, and a few content creators on one side I was sort of starting to like. Like you Wilhelm. Oddly for me the tipping point was when I realized one of the people who endorsed the Imperium was a Snuffed Out Machariel pilot.

    I talked to this with a group of friends. We mostly play FPSes. there are 8 games all 30 ish of us play together (11 counting board games, but let’s stick to video games for now), and a few games where I have overlap with some of them. I told them all and said I was too afraid of leaving High Sec but it was cool watching the Imperium. I half jokingly suggest they leave their corporations in a certain alliance to join the Imperium for the war. I didn’t expect them to do so since we met through other games and I didn’t realize they played EVE 3 years before they met me (or each other).

    Then one of them sent me a screen shot shoving his character in Delve. I asked what he was doing there. He said he and the others joined the Imperium on a temporary basis. They got someone else to tack them and some assets to Delve. They formed a group of 3 Machariels, 3 Dragoons, 3 Pontifexs, 3 Thrashers, 1 Thrawler, 1 Jackdraw, 16 Svipuls, 7 Maledictions, 1 Stiletto, and 1 Retriever. He said all of them had maxed the revelent skills for their ships and each brough 6 spare ships, plus there was a spare Svipul for whoever was the first to lost 7 ships. After that, they’d just take whatever destroyers the alliance offers if they lost anything more.

    I was stunned. I asked why they did this. They said they were having fun, they heard about the stories I told them, they saw the epic action, and they wanted to show off to me (if you looked at our EVE characters, I’d be low in the pecking order, but given the other games we play, we’re all equals) and each other.

    I said in that screenshot they were using super expensive implants. Who uses mid or high amulets for sub capitals? They said they weren’t in it for making money and each was willing to lose 7 sets of implants over the war. My friends said they were willing to spent 157 weeks to fight the war before slinking back to lowsec and rejoining their old corps. Funny thing their corp mates aren’t even mad and just asked they keep updating them with screenshots.

    I said a Retriver was useless for fighting. This was one guy who didn’t want to become active again until some real life stuff was resolved, but he’d help by AFK mining. The amazing thing is that he didn’t lose a ship as of July.

    I asked how they got to Delve. Something about Jump Fighters. I thought cynos couldn’t be used in High Sec and their ships were in high sec before they went to Delve.

    I said I wasn’t sure Imperial Fleet commanders would accept them given in other games they have a maverick style of gameplay. They said Karmafleet was welcoming people, even alphas. So apparently the fleet commanders accepted this group of high skill omega players even though they admitted if the enemy was extracting, they’d prioritize HACs, Heavy Interdiction Cruisers, t2 logistics cruisers, and Supercarriers over their fleet commander’s orders. One of them even screenshotted a message with the FC saying “As long as you obey before they extract, not only are you welcome but I won’t reprimand you.” That FC later got annoyed when they killed 3 HICs and blasted away at a super carrier over his 10 designated targets, something about a dreadnought fleeing with 700 HP, and one of them sent back the screenshot and said “we did well during the battle didn’t we” which he had to admit was true that their actions saved many others subcapitals.

    They said I could tell their story, but not give the screenshots they shared with me (I have like 90 per week from them) or their names because they might get ganked in revenge. Which is funny because their kills are on Zkillboard for anyone to see but whatever.

    Wilhelm, I loved their story they told me. I love your story. I only wish they formatted their screenshots and posted like you did rather than just narrating through audio only over skype and sending me a bunch of screenshots. You all deserve the victory.


  5. Wilhelm Arcturus Post author

    @Alexander Wong – The stories are what keep me going in null sec Being in a big fleet fight and 10% tidi is not a fun time after a while. EVE is the one game I probably spend more time tabbed out of than in while it is running. But the stories it generates, from the individual adventures to the small group stuff to the epic ebb and flow of empires, that keeps it interesting.


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