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Search Engines Other Than Google

The whole Bing de-listing thing got me thinking about search engines, which is not something I put my mind to all that often.  We live in a world where there is Google and then there is everything else.  In the west at least, Google dominates to such an extent that barely anything else counts.  I lost Bing traffic, but in the grand scheme of things, did it matter much?

Bing stats running into June 2022

Still, I started poking around as to what other search engines there were and who would still find me.  I doing that I learned that there are all sorts of search engines out there, ones that index just wikis or images that are available via creative commons.

But I just wanted the traditional “find my damn web site” sort of engines, and this is what I turned up.

Bing

I have to mention Bing because it turns out that Bing powers a lot of other search engines.  I was never sold on Bing since the day Uncle Fester announced it, and being delisted hasn’t enhance my view of it.  And I appear to have been in just one wave of a systematic purging of blogs and gaming sites.  When I first wrote about the purge, I could at least find sites that linked to my site, including the Tumblr pages that I republish to and a bunch of blogs with their own domains.  All of that has since been eliminated.  I don’t think linking to me was the cheese touch that did people in, but Bing was clearly on a tear about something.

But the key thing I found out is who else uses Bing to power their search, which includes:

  • Yahoo
  • DuckDuckGo
  • AOL
  • Swisscows
  • OneSearch
  • Ekoru
  • Ecosia
  • Lycos
  • MetaCrawler
  • Qwant

I went through each of those and got exactly the same results for my search terms.  Basically it seems if you want to start a themed search engine of some sort but don’t want to put in the work on the search part of things, Bing is your one stop shop for mediocrity.

Baidu

I don’t have much to say about Baidu except that it is the big search engine in China and now sends me more traffic than Bing.  Basically, about one referral a month… but if you search for my site URL I do show up, and that seems like all you can ask for some days.

Baidu finds me

The bar for being better than Bing is pretty low, and Baidu clears it.

Yandex

Same as Baidu, but for Russia.  It has an English version of the main page, but returns results in Russian.  However, it still finds my site and actually drives a few referrals a week to the site, usually EVE Online related.  I actually have a search console account with them, so can see what they have indexed and where I show up in results.  The numbers are always low, but not as low as Bing is now.

Ask.com

Once known as Ask Jeeves, and apparently not really in the search engine business anymore, it does still function as one and apparently hasn’t just thrown in the towel like Yahoo or AOL to just let Bing do whatever passes for heavy lifting in Redmond.

Neeva

A recent entry in the search engine field… this sort of thing still gets funding I guess… launched by a former Google exec, I am not sure where I stand on this one.  On the one hand, when I put in “TAGN” for a search term, I get the same set of results as I do from Bing, always a bad sign.  But at the top of the page, on its own, I also get a link to the blog.

Neeva finds me somehow

And it wasn’t snooping on my other browsers… I don’t think… as I did it on a “clean” system with a browser in incognito mode.  Seems okay for that.  If I am happy with Baidu for just that result, why should I kick Neeva for it?

StartPage

A Dutch search engine promising privacy that isn’t in bed with Bing I guess.  It passes the TAGN test as well as the full site URL test.  Looking it up, it has been around since 1998 in some form or another… and it pays Google to provide its results.  So there we go, privacy AND Google quality searches.  Might be a winner.

Gibiru

Another search engine I had not heard of, though it has been around since 2009.  It promises uncensored private search, and you can make of that what you will, but it passes the TAGN test with flying colors and returns me in some of the searches

Gigablast

Kind of a strange one.  Driven neither by Google nor Bing… it includes links to let you try your search on StartPage and DuckDuckGo if you want… it doesn’t find me if you search “TAGN,” but you can find my site with other search terms like “M2-XFE” which is a regular source of traffic to my site from Google.  Wouldn’t give up Google driven searches for it, but delivers a different results set if you want something that isn’t in the two main search engine buckets.

As with many of my posts, I don’t really have a big wrap up at the end here.  I am more surprised at how many search engines are out there these days… even when you discount all the ones that are just Bing fronts… when Google so clearly owns the search engine market.

This is not at all an exhaustive list either, just the more interesting results I turned up.  But you have options if you don’t want Google or Bing or want to get some different results for the same old search.

June in Review

The Site

I guess the only real news about the site is the whole Bing delisting thing I posted about this past Sunday.

Bing stats running into June 2022

As I poked at that further I found that even just “wordpress.com” did not return results related to that actual domain, so I suspect that Bing just decided blogs there were all trash and they shouldn’t bother indexing them.  But then they index Tumblr, so who knows what the logic is?

I opened up a support post in the forum about it and got the usual amateur hour, garbage response that I have come to expect from WordPress.com support.  I mean, it is better than when they used to use volunteers that treated their opinions as facts, but they still don’t bother to think about the problem before sending an answer.

But, after almost 16 years there is almost no upside to trying to drag my blog somewhere else.  The devil you know and all that.

The upshot of which is that if you’re one of those people hasn’t bookmarked the site and who just types TAGN into a search engine to get here… again, the most popular search term to bring people to the blog… then don’t use Bing or DuckDuckGo.  But if you are using them, you probably can’t find me now, so happy trails to the four people who were finding me that way.

One Year Ago

The inevitable Steam Summer Sale arrived again.

It was no surprise when Facebook announced that they would be forcing Oculus users to login with Facebook credentials eventually.

In old Azeroth renewed, all eyes were on the Dark Portal because Burning Crusade Classic was launching.  The masses poured through the portal, leaving Ironforge and Orgrimmar empty.

While we went through the portal, we still had some things to finish up, so Ula and the replacements went to StratholmeEven a week later I was still working with alts back in vanilla.

Eventually though we got on our way and took a run at Hellfire Ramparts.  It did not go well.  And neither did our second run, though we were doing the instance with a group of four.

But there were other things going on in Outland.

Amid all of that, I was wondering where “classic” would actually end for WoW and what were the general prerequisites to even launch a successful nostalgia server.  Of course, even with success, Blizz was somehow letting the air out of the experience.

We also got the word that Diablo II Resurrected would be launching in September.  A lot of hopes were pinned on that title. (Hopes well rewarded in my opinion.)

Elsewhere, it seemed like Enad Global 7 was actually advertising for EverQuest, a change from the Daybreak era.

And in EVE Online the pace of World War Bee seemed to be slowing.  All my New Eden posts in one list:

And on the telly we watched Army of the Dead on Netflix.  We were also binge watching more series.

Five Years Ago

Nintendo announced Pokemon UltraSun & UltraMoon as well as Pokemon Gold & Silver for the Nintendo 2DS/3DS Virtual Console.  Now it seems that the former were to be the last bit of Pokemon for the Nintendo handheld lineup.

Daybreak opened up the Fallen Gate progression server for EverQuest II.

There were Sega Genesis and Atari 2600 retro consoles being promoted, trying to milk a bit of that NES Classic magic.  I was not impressed, as there had been many Atari 2600 hardware and software retro options for ever.

Meanwhile Microsoft announced the Age of Empires Definitive Edition.  Nostalgia everywhere!

The Ashes of Creation Kickstarter campaign closed with a big take.

I tried out Atlantic Fleet, a ship combat simulator.  I also played some Mini Metro, which I picked up from the Steam Summer Sale.

Following my retro-flavor-of-the-month plan, I went back to give Guild Wars 2 a try.  Is GW2 old enough to be retro yet?  Anyway I rolled up a new character and followed the zone path, that being the most obvious thing to do.  I made it into the Harathi Hinterlands and level 40 before I wore out on the game.

Minecraft had its World of Color update, version 1.12 for those who like numbers.  Microsoft was talking about unifying all of the versions of Minecraft… except for the original, now called the Minecraft: Java Edition.  I was looking back at two years of playing Minecraft.

CCP released the June 2017 update for EVE Online, changing the naming scheme once again.  That update nerfed null sec mining some more, tried to reign in super carrier ratting without nerfing fighter PvP capabilities, launched the Rogue Swarm event, and gave the game a colorblind mode.  Also, it had music.  We would soon lose music with updates.

The New Eden Monthly Economic Report showed that Delve not only ratted and mined more than most, but also had a big market and a lot of production going on as well.  Aryth called the MER the best recruiting tool the Imperium ever had.  If you wanted to make ISK, the MER told you where you wanted to be.

In space I was there to shoot a Raitaru, get in on a Keepstar kill, and cover some tower repairs in Fountain.  My alliance joined the Keepstar club.    And I opened a controversial topic in asking whether or not EVE Online was a gank box or not. (My observation after that is, for some people, any PvP is too much.)

And that whole Blogger Fantasy Movie League thing started, initiated by Liore the ringer.  I sort of set a format in that first week that I carried on with.

Finally, Blizzard gave us a date for the Necromaner mini-expansion for Diablo III.

Ten Years Ago

I was asking people about voice software again.

I went on about the ridiculous nature of material tiers for MMO crafting.

My daughter finally found a game she liked on the PS3.

I was ranking how I liked to get my gaming news.

The first Civilization V expansion came out offering, among other things, a performance boost to those who paid.  Meanwhile, the story about the decade long game of Civ II came to light.

Everything we knew about EverQuest Next was declared obsolete.  It wasn’t all that much really.

On the Fippy Darkpaw server, the Gates of Discord expansion was finally unlocked, but not before there was a tie vote.

Turbine announced the Riders of Rohan expansion, the first LOTRO expansion I declined to buy.  For somebody still in Moria, it seemed to offer few benefits for its increased price relative to past expansions.

In Rift I hit level 50, which is a special thing in game, and started tinkering with the then new instant adventure option.  Trion also announced the Storm Legion expansion, a sign of success for most subscription based MMOs.

In EVE Online I hit 80 million skill points and was playing Lemmings in DBRB’s fleet.  We also ganked a Chimera that was scammed into jumping to the VFK beacon.  This upset people.

And, finally there was Electronic Arts which, as part of its ongoing mission to be seen as the most arrogant company in gaming, tried to tell people that Origin was the Nordstrom to Steam’s Target level business model, unintentionally insulting Nordstrom, which actually cares about customer service before the fact, not just after it has screwed the pooch yet again.  EA says they “get it” but I had my doubts.

Fifteen Years Ago

I got all Buddhist on the subject on the raiders vs. non-raiders rift. I think what I said could be applied to some current controversies.

I ran down my list of complimentary comment spam.

I did a poll asking which software people used for voice coms.  At the time, almost nobody who responded was using game-integrated voice software.  Most people were using Ventrilo.

I took a picture of my gaming setup.  Still the same table and mouse fifteen years later.  The monitor and keyboard were upgraded not that long ago.

We heard that Pirates of the Burning Sea would not only be published by SOE, but would be available via a Station Access subscription.

We were still playing Lord of the Rings Online.  Hitting level 20… not for the last time… I was out at the Forsaken Inn… also not for the last time.  The instance group, minus Earl, finished the first epic book… again, not for the last time.  And server queues, something common at launch, were starting to disappear after just two months.  This was odd, since the last great server queue experience was with WoW, where queues went on for over a year on some servers.

Vanguard, which announced server merges… again, not for the last time… gave rise to a discussion about future proofing games.  I held that just making system requirements huge… something that was an issue with Vanguard… was not the same thing.  I did wonder what would have happened had WoW had higher system requirements back in 2004.

After letting Blizzard’s announcement of StarCraft II sink in, I put up a post about the original StarCraft back when it was our office game of choice.

Darren was all worked up about crafting being the suck, so I started trying to list out all the things that might be wrong with crafting. Then Tobold suggested the whole “figure out recipes by trial and error” idea and I ran screaming from the room.

I said nice things about “Opinions of the Misinformed.”  Elsewhere in EVE Online the Revelations II expansion launched.

Also, the iPhone launched, moving smart phones from a curiosity into mainstream, indirectly enabling the “Don’t you guys have phones?” comment at BlizzCon 2018.

Twenty Years Ago

Neverwinter Nights, a BioWare title that would create many an aspiring game designer, launched.

Forty Five Years Ago

Budding Apple Computer launched the Apple II computer.  A successor to the Apple I, which came as a build-it-yourself kit, this was iconic beige case that ruled school computer labs for a decade.  A year later I would go to middle school at a campus that backed up to their Mariani Drive facility, and they setup a computer lab for us.  It wasn’t the first computer I ever used, but it was the one that set my mind towards owning a computer.  I would managed that eventually.

Atari, now five years old, opened the first Chuck E. Cheese’s Pizza Time Theater.  In its initial incarnation you paid a flat fee for a wrist band that let eat all the cheap pizza and play all the video games you wanted for a set time limit.  Honestly, kind of a dream come true for me at that age.  The business model changed over the years, going to more traditional arcade tokens, though the pizza remained substandard.  But kids don’t care.  Most recently the rodent mascot was being given the heave-ho as the chain remodeled all of their store fronts for a new look.  But it will always be a wristband, all you can eat/play place with animatronic entertainment to me.

Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, rich from having sold Atari to Warner, the first of many owners of the brand, bought the rights to the Chuck E. Cheese idea from Warner/Atari before the month was out.

Fifty Years Ago

Atari corporation was founded in Sunnyvale, California.  An early commercial success in video games, I am pretty sure Pong was the first video game I ever played.  A little over five years later they would dominate the home video game market with the introduction of the Atari 2600.  I wheedled my way into getting one for Christmas that year.  It also made inroads into home computers with its Atari 400 and 800 models.  And then came the great video game crash… which Atari precipitated by pushing some really sub-standard titles and the company was sold and sold again to the point that the name today has been slapped onto everything from gimmicky hotels to crypto currency.  A sad destination for a once powerful brand, but it remains a name that attracts attention no matter what dumb ass scheme somebody tries to use it for.

Most Viewed Posts in June

  1. Gallente Federation Day and the Federation Grand Prix Return to EVE Online
  2. CCP Promises “a very special offer” if you Link Multiple EVE Online Accounts to the Same Email Address
  3. Minecraft and the Search for a Warm Ocean
  4. CCP Lets EVE Online Players with Multiple Accounts Subscribe Secondary Accounts at a Lower Price
  5. Alamo teechs u 2 play DURID!
  6. The Altar of Zul and Jintha’alor
  7. 20 Games that Defined the Apple II
  8. A New Kind of Blackout Comes and Goes for EVE Online
  9. Josh Strife Hayes and The Immoral Design of Diablo Immortal
  10. EVE Fanfest 2022 Keynote Hot Take – Meh
  11. CCP Takes Aim at Cloaky Campers in EVE Online
  12. EverQuest Launches the Vaniki and Yelinak Progression Servers

Search Terms of the Month

how to find tropical ocean in minecraft
[It is a warm ocean, and I supply a link in that post now]

jinthalor altar safely
[Probably not unless you’re level 60]

eve online how to get biosecurity skins
[Project Discovery or buy them in Jita for cheap]

eve plex prices dying
[Do you mean getting more expensive?]

eve online rising plex prices
[Yeah, what this person said]

Game Time from ManicTime

Valheim held the top of my play time numbers again in June, but wasn’t as dominant as it was in the previous two months.  Meanwhile, Minecraft… well, it is very easy to slip into it and spend a lot of time doing not much.

  • Valheim – 44.27%
  • Minecraft – 32.09%
  • EVE Online – 19.51%
  • Diablo Immortal – 2.85%
  • V Rising – 1.28%

In addition, two new titles made the list, Diablo Immortal, which I have already written about and uninstalled, and V Rising, which I will mention below.

EVE Online

The CSM17 election was held and the results came in.  In a surprise to nobody, null sec candidates won a majority of the seats, eight in all.  In addition a war has started up in the south east of null sec around Catch and Impass.  Otherwise, all was normal in New Eden.

Minecraft

Our group decided to give the new 1.19 version of Minecraft a go.  Things have changed quite a bit since we last played.  We started a new world with a specific seed, but still need to find our way back into the groove of the game.

Pokemon Go

Another slow progress month in Pokemon Go.  Not a lot of time to get out and take gyms or do raids or even spin a Pokestop.  Real life is just been in the way too much.

Level: 42 ( 58% of the way to 43 in xp, 4 of 4 tasks complete)
Pokedex status: 714 (+3) caught, 738 (+4) seen
Mega Evolutions obtained: 15 of 21
Pokemon I want: I need a Torkoal for my Hoenn Pokedex
Current buddy: Lycanroc

V Rising

I alluded to V Rising, a recently in early access base building survival title in another post, because it seemed like it might be the next thing for our group after we finished the plains in Valheim.  But once I bought it, I didn’t get very far because I hated the movement/camera control system.  It reminds me of the Wizardry Online method, which I complained about in a post almost a decade ago.  WASD movement is relative to the camera, which doesn’t move automatically, but which can be moved, at least horizontally. I hated it.  And there was no map or mini-map in the starting area, which combined with the movement scheme meant I felt lost and then the sun came out and whatever.  It is early access, maybe that will get better some day.  But for now it is on my list of Steam titles I have played for about an hour.

Valheim

Our second run at the game took us through about two and a half months of play before we defeated the boss in the plains and finished up the progression the game had to offer.  The second run was good, and I will have some more to say about it.  The game has progressed, but it still ends where it did last year.

Zwift

As with Pokemon Go, the change in home routine has disrupted my exercise routine.  I did finally cross the one thousand mile mark.  That puts me at an average of about 100 miles a month, so you can see how much that has tapered off.

  • Level – 15 (+0)
  • Distanced cycled – 1,039.9 miles (+51.8 miles)
  • Time – 2d 6h 57m  (+4h 52m)
  • Elevation climbed – 42,293 (+2,093 feet)
  • Calories burned – 34,213 (+1,643)

Coming Up

It is summer… so not much I guess?

CCP will go into summer vacation hibernation.  The Steam Summer Sale will end next week.  Wrath Classic is probably still two months away.

I guess I’ll be posting about Minecraft and whatever happens in the latest war in null sec.

Bing Hates Me… and so does DuckDuckGo!

This is another one of those “inside baseball” post about being a blogger, with perhaps a passing reference to the existence of video games at best.  You have been warned.

As I may have said in the past, web stats are like numbers from the UN, the more precise they are, the more likely they are to be wrong.

But that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy web stats all the same, and so I have various ways to look at the traffic that comes to the site, including Google’s Search Engine Console tools, Google Analytics, Microsoft’s Bing Webmaster Tools, Yandex’s site tools, that flag counter widget in the side bar, and the built-in WordPress stats.  None of them ever agree with each other.

Which is fine, I have no need for precision.  I just like to see trends and what brings people to the site.  It doesn’t change what I write, but it is interesting to me to see what is accidentally popular.

This week I was bored and poking through the various stats and came to Bing’s tools, which were updated a while back to copy as closely as possible the Google console, and I noticed that somewhere around June 8th traffic to the site pretty much died off.

Bing stats running into June 2022

If that were an EKG on a medical TV drama they would be calling a code blue and yelling for the crash cart and headed straight for a commercial break before we knew whether the person had died or not.

Now, if that had happened with Google I would have noticed right away.  Most traffic here comes from Google, and when Google feels a chill sites like mine catch pneumonia.  Back in February they made some change and my traffic from them was cut by a third and it was immediately obvious in the WordPress stats.  They might not exactly line up, but trends stand out.

Bing, however, does not send me a whole lot of traffic.  If you look at last year’s annual round up, Google sent me 155K referrals and Bing sent 2,716.  So a hot day for Bing looks like this:

Bing rocking the seven referrals, the average for 2021

So Bing wasn’t a waterfall of new viewers, but it was never zero… until now.

Now, of course, it could be that video game trends have moved away from whatever it is I write about these days.  But not showing up at all, even in impressions… that seemed strange.

I opened up Microsoft Edge because it defaults to Bing for searches, and typed in the most common search term that brings people to the site, TAGN… seriously, some of you could bookmark the site… and this is what I got.

Searching for TAGN

The top result, which is a listing of acronyms, that remembers who I am.  But literally no other result was associated directly with my blog.

I searched for the full blog name and got results for sites that mention the blog, and sites where I auto-post links to recent posts, like Tumblr, Flipboard, Twitter, and even Facebook.  There were even links to the Blogger site where I used to backup my site until IFTTT broke that link.

But nowhere was there an actual link to tagn.wordpress.com.  I had been delisted.

Unfortunately, there isn’t a lot you can do.  Microsoft has a list of reasons why your site might not be listed, but once you get past the technical items that you can check, it sums up to just maybe they don’t like you, which are the last two things on the list.

So somebody at Bing must have decided around the end of May that my site doesn’t meet whatever their quality thresholds are, because it says right on the page that “Bing likes unique, quality content.”

And, in looking into this, I discovered that DuckDuckGo uses Bing to get its search results.  That explains why traffic from DuckDuckGo, which is about on par with Bing, went away as well and why my attempts to find my blog there end up with the same set of results.

Oddly enough, I had been using DuckDuckGo as my default search engine recently to see how well it did, and was tempted to write a scathing post about how inferior its results were compared to Google’s, and then I found out they use Bing… and that pretty much explained it.

I must still be in Bing’s system somewhere, because every few days on the chart it shows I was in the results for 1  search.  But otherwise Bing appears to have disowned me.

Yandex still loves me though.  I still get a page view or two a week from them!