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Raitaru Fight in Frarie

We had another timer waiting for us last night in Frarie.  Snuffed Out had previously reinforced a Raitaru we had dropped not too far from our Fortizar and the final event was at hand.

Counting Down

We formed up in Abaddons again, wondering if Snuff would show up for the timer or not.

Word was that they too were forming, and eyes on their home in Rakapas said they were putting together a mix of Machariels and Apocalypse Navy Issues with fax support.  A few minutes after the repair cycle had started they bridged in.  At that point we undocked and warped straight onto them with out pulse beam fit Abaddons, with our own fax in tow, and a brawl ensued.

The Abaddons off the Raitaru

At that point I got very busy as I was once again out in the dirty Guardian doing my logi thing.  Cainun was targeting Machariels to make them pay in ISK while they were going after logi to make killing the rest of the fleet that much easier.

Our logi was holding and a few Machariels had died when Snuff upped the ante and started dropping in dreadnoughts.  Our logi chain was broken and our fax wasn’t able to keep up. Guardians were alpha’d off the field by their battleships while the HAW dreads starting hitting Abaddons.  The dirty Guardian was no more.

We had the option to escalate as well.  We have some anti-cap dreads of our own that could have come into the fight.  However, the word was that they had their titan and super pilots logged in and sitting in Rakapas waiting to jump in as well if we did so.

Cainun’s last act was to warp us all back to our Fortizar before his own ship exploded.  Our fax went down as well, as did the Raitaru.  The battle report shows the ISK war against us as well.

Battle Report Header

This fight, and our previous encounters with Snuff, does make me question the value of this deployment.  Liberty Squad leadership wanted to go somewhere where we could get “good fights” on something like a regular basis.  But we chose to base ourselves under the capital umbrella of Snuffed Out without bringing anything like enough to counter that.  That leaves them the option to escalate, something they have done in every fight.  We have had them drop titans on us more than once already.

Titans loll about a previous fight

And yet Snuff clearly wants us there.  They have more than enough capitals on hand to take out our Fortizar if they wanted to.  As with any such arrangement, the price to keep them from doing that is to fight them… entertain them… and lose.  If we stop, you can bet the Fortizar will be their next target.

This is, as always, the problem with low sec for me.  There is nothing here to win.  Nothing changes, we just form back up again another night to repeat the same event.

It makes me want to jump my clone over to the Black Ops deployment where they cyno in to gank somebody and about half the time it doesn’t go as planned and the locals jump us instead and we have to scramble to get out.  At least there is some question as to how the fight will end and a chance to get away with something before the supers start landing on you. (Fortunately I have an alt there already.)

Oh well, that is the nature of EVE Online without a war going on.

Addendum:

Somebody recorded last night’s fight.

 

Learning Restraint in Placid

Our Fortizar in Frarie still stands.  Maybe there will be an actual fight over it at some point.

Named “Little House on the Frarie”

Last night wasn’t the night however.  I got home and saw a ping that we would be forming up to defend it.  Snuffed Out had come by and set the armor timer yet again.

Time running down…

As the time ticked down, we formed up in the Fortizar in our Abaddons and Guardians.  A scout in their home system of Rakapas reported that they were logged in and had eyes on their bridging titan.

But they did not come.  The timer ran down and the Fortizar was no longer in danger.

We were formed up and ready to go, and it was clear that Snuff was as well, though their bridging titan logged off.  They were not going to come to us.  They were expecting, not unreasonably after our past performance, us to come shoot one of their structures like we did on Saturday.

However, Cainun decided that we were not going to reward them with a feed for not showing up to the timer.  The Abaddon fleet stood down, we all got our PAP, and that was that.  Another doctrine was called later and Liberty Squad roamed elsewhere.  No fight with Snuff.

Abaddons in Low Sec Again

The Liberty Squad “good fights” deployment in Placid carries on.  There are no objectives to take, no territory to defend, and not much infrastructure to assail in low sec, unless you want to get involved in faction warfare, and we haven’t started doing that yet.

We are up there just to pick fights with the local power, Snuffed Out, and their allies.  And they seem willing to oblige now and then.

One way they seem to be interested in fighting us is economically by seeding our staging station with contracts for mal-fit doctrine ships that are just a bit cheaper than the fits being imported by the squad.  And, it doesn’t matter how often people say or broadcast about not buying contracts from random third parties, people will just buy the cheapest contract that sounds about right.  I know, I’ve made that mistake myself.

To combat this, Liberty Squad dropped a Fortizar in Frarie, the smallest structure that allows the owner to setup a market.

Named “Little House on the Frarie”

In theory this should stop the bad contract nonsense, since the locals lack docking rights.  In reality, enough people are still in the station that people keep buying the bad contracts.

The Fortizar also gives us another potential point of conflict, a target for the locals.  And they did take us up on that, reinforcing the Fortizar last week.  The armor timer was set to come out last night and squad leadership had pre-pinged about the potential for a fight.  It was time to get the Abaddons out again.

However, the timer came and went and Snuff did not show up.  This is the sort of thing that gets Cainun worked up, so he decided if they were not going to come to us, we were going to go to them, that having worked out so well previously.  So we all piled onto a titan, ready to be launched in the general direction of Snuff.

A Ragnarkok in a POS

We were bridged into their home area where we started looking for something to shoot.  I was in a Guardian this time around, with my alt on the second monitor in an Abaddon.

I still haven’t washed that Guardian

We ended up in Rakapas to shoot a Fortizar of theirs.  At that point things got very busy for me.  Attacking a gunned and defended Fortizar means a lot of bombs flying your way and lots of calls for reps.

Snuff undocked Machariels, at which point we became much less about shooting the Fortizar and much more about getting in position to fight their fleet.  This led to a series of warps back and forth around the Fortizar where Snuff seems disinclined to break tether.

After a while of this Cainun decided a fight was not going to happen.  By his estimation, Snuff Was not going to have a go at us unless everything was tilted in their favor, so he had us align out and head home.

The scout left behind reported that the Machariels warped off to a POS to get on a titan of their own once we left.  It looked like they were going to drop on us on our way home.  And when we spotted the cyno Cainun decided to give that a shot to see what they would bring.

The Machariel fleet dropped on us in Nennamaila and we were in close enough range to engage.  And while they did not bring HAW dreads along with them, they did jump fax support in to keep their Machs alive.  After a few attempts we were only able to break the tank on one Machariel while they were chewing up Abaddons one after another.

Once again, things were quite busy in the logi wing as we tried to keep people alive.

As the battle titled against us, the likelihood of us getting another Mach kill fell away, and Cainun decided to warp us out.  My alt, in an Abaddon, was tackled by one of the Machs however, so while my Guardian warped off to the station to dock up, the Abaddon sat there in the middle of hostiles waiting to die.  This was a double whammy because my alt had gotten the kill mail for the one Mach we killed, so that Abaddon was going to have a very short lived kill mark.

And then I was no longer pointed.  I don’t know if the person who had me tackled found a better target or if I just wandered out of range before it was my turn, but I wasn’t going to stick around and ask.  Already aligned and at speed, I warped right out and docked up with the rest of the survivors who made it out.

That Mahcariel we killed was expensive, but not expensive enough to offset out own losses.  We lost the ISK war by about a 6 to 1 margin according to the battle report.

Header from the Battle Report

And that total doesn’t include what we lost on the Fortizar in Rakapas, which would add another 3 billion ISK on top of that.  At least Abaddons insure well.

We waited in the station until they got bored and left.  They had already gotten their kills, so they didn’t hang around for very long.  After that we went back to Frarie to dock up in the Fortizar.

We shall see if they reinforce it again.  Doing that has worked out pretty well for them so far.  They haven’t killed any of our structures, but when they don’t show up for the timer Cainun feels the need to go find trouble, and he tends to get it.

Faction Fortizar Throw Down in Sujarento

At least my efforts in moving that Naglfar across New Eden were rewarded.

Liberty Squad deployed north over the weekend, and after the structure shoots in Tribute our FCs were clearly looking for some blood.  From the moment we arrived at our new staging in Frarie we were out trying to provoke a fight with Snuffed Out and their local allies.

It started with some reinforcement timers in Frarie.  We have citadels there and so do they.  But when, on Sunday evening they declined to show up for one of them after we had formed, Thomas Lear and Cainun led us out to Sujarento, about 8 gates away, to reinforce a faction Fortizar owned by one of Snuff’s allies Pen Is Out.

They gunned the Fortizar for that, which made it a busy time for our logi wing as our Abaddon fleet set the first timer.

Hanging around the Fortizar

With the timer set to come out in less than 24 hours we had effectively scheduled the next big op, all while only losing a single Augoror.  Of course, then we lost five Abaddons on the way home because the locals formed a small fleet to catch stragglers and we apparently cannot all align.  You cannot spell “Abaddon” without “bad” I guess.

You don’t tell me where to align!

Anyway, the blood lust was on us.  Pings went out to get people on.  We were going to take this fight.  And, the next evening, at 23:00 UTC, we were piling into fleet while it was reported that the Snuff and allies had about 200 people logged into their staging system.

Low sec still has local.

Once we got a pile of Abaddons together, along with some Leshaks, Cainun had us undock.  The call was for battleships ahead of logi, so I left my filthy Guardian in the hangar and went with the fat boys.  I trained up lasers ages ago so I like to use them when I get the chance.  So pretty.

An Abaddon blob undocking

We had battleships together, which were bridged in a group to the target, and dread alts on standby, logged in, in the fleet, and insurance windows open, ready to go if the fight escalated as we expected it might.

When we arrived we aligned to the target, which had already begun its 15 minute repair cycle.

The Pen Is Out Fortizar

Snuff had a Machariel fleet waiting for us, which was what we had hoped to get stuck into.  We got on grid… maybe a little too close, since we the station PDS was hitting us… and the Leshaks began hitting the Fortizar while the Abaddons began engaging the Machs.  That was a fairly busy time, especially for our logi wing again.  But even in the Abaddons there was much to do, including capacitor management.  The fit isn’t cap stable and when the station is throwing void bombs at you that drain your cap… cap you need to fire the guns and keep your hardeners going… you spend some time feeding in cap boosters and turning things on and off just to get another shot in.

We were exchanging when my turn came up to be primary.  Logi was busy so many of us were letting our armor sit unrepaired until it got critical, so when I saw the yellow boxes light up on my overview it seemed unlikely that I would get enough reps in time.

Sure enough, my ship exploded.

I was floating around in my pod, nobody had time for me at the moment, when Snuff began jumping dreadnoughts into the fight.  As soon as that happened Thomas called for our dreads to insure and undock.  I swapped windows, dragging my main over to the second monitor and my alt onto the main, and undocked the Naglfar.  We jumped into the fight, sieged up, and began hitting targets.

I think was the third time I had used a dread in combat, which pretty much means I had little idea what I needed to do beyond going into siege and shooting the broadcasts… and hitting the emergency hull energized when I became primary.

You know how this ends… Fortizar visible in the background

By the time my number came up Snuff had dropped titans on us.  I lasted long enough that I had a titan on my kill mail.  That might be another first for me, first capital loss and first capital hit by a titan.  The hull energizer kept me alive for a while, which may have saved somebody else as people had to keep shooting me for a bit.  But I was dead soon enough.

After that I was sitting around in system in two pods.  At that point I realized that my main actually had implants and that maybe I shouldn’t let him just sit around.  I gated him safely home to our staging.

My alt was implant free however, so he stuck around on grid taking screen shots of the unfolding fight, some of which I put in a gallery at the end of the post.

Once the titans were on grid the battle was decided.  Dreadnoughts were as far as we could escalate, so after a few more targets people who could jump out did.

By any reasonable measure, we lost the fight.  We failed the objective, lost more ships, lost more in ISK value.  But it was the battle we had been aching for.  I, for one, had been dragging that Naglfar around with me since March waiting to drop it into a desperate fight.

I tried to do a battle report, but as I always say, low sec is strange.  Low sec groups can be as clannish as any null sec coalition, so it is difficult to tell who was there with Snuff and who was just there, so I sorted the header into Imperium and everybody else.

Battle Report Header – Click to Make Legible

That was a lot of people in system during the fight.  Enough to help make Sujarento the most violent system in the last 24 hours per DOTLAN.

Most Violent Winner of the Night

And lest you wonder, the vast majority of that violence occurred during a pretty tight time frame.

That peak, that is us

However, despite the pile up of players in system over a short duration, there was no time dilation invoked that I saw.  Maybe somebody had the foresight to reinforce the system.  There have been times in low sec where just gating a group of 60 ships have brought tidi into play.

Anyway, we have introduced ourselves to the locals by throwing them a nice party.  We’ll see how things develop from there.

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Selected screen shots from my pod.  Click on the pictures to enlarge.