Tag Archives: Space Communism

Are We Done with Delve Yet?

I know, a silly question.  We are clearly never going to be “done” with Delve.  We come back every year.

But the current campaign seems to be dragging a bit.

Never enough of this though

I realize we haven’t actually been working on Delve all that long, but every siege fleet you go on seems to add another week to your internal time perspective of the campaign.

Not that going out with siege fleet is the absolute worst thing in EVE.  You are still part of a team and are doing something that will make a difference of some sort in the mixed up world of null sec sovereignty.  And the graphics are kind of cool.

Another Black Ops Jump

But believe me, every defense fleet called up to drive off Pandemic Legion, or whoever else decides to show up for a fight, is a breath of fresh air.

We actually moved our staging base over one system last weekend, hopping from 1DH-SX to F2OY-X just to stop PL from “hobo camping” us all the time.  I mentioned in a previous post how a PL pilot was docked up in the station in 1DH, which is NPC owned so anybody can dock up, and then undocking, bubbling the undock, and docking back up.  We were apparently done with that and we owned a station just one jump over.

Anyway, it was with some relief that I saw this morning that the sovereignty map had gone mostly yellow for Delve and Period Basis.

Delve Area - Sep. 13, 2013

Delve Area – Sep. 13, 2013

There is still a little patch of TEST in Delve, as well as a system in Period Basis and three more in Querious.  Though, since Black Legion and SOLAR FLEET seem to be conquering Querious, I am not sure that we will need to do anything with those three systems.

We will be done soon.  Just a few more fleets.  And then… what?

As I understand it, Delve will be turned into a vast swathe of rental space for the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere as space communism harnesses the power of space capitalism to pay for all of the things to which we have begun to take for granted like ship reimbursements and capital ship subsidies.

The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere is also on the sovereignty map now, up in the north-east of null sec.

Renter's Paradise

Renter’s Paradise

And, judging from Mynnna’s occasional exasperation, there are actually people interested in renting from Goons.  It must be the splashy and easy to understand graphic that talented Marne Deville, creator of some of the most memorable propaganda from the war in Fountain, put together.

Quick Guide to Renting

Quick Guide to Renting

You can read more about that in one of the official rental posts in the EVE forums.  I am just waiting for the conspiracy theories to start up about the fact that the group running the rental program has decided to call themselves the Rental Management Team (RMT).  I am sure that Dinsdale Pirannha is out there feeling vindicated by that naming scheme alone.

So just a few more ops and I hope we will be done with the sovereignty grind and on to something else.

The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere and You!

When, during a fleet op on Saturday afternoon my local time, The Mittani asked over Jabber if somebody had an alt handy that could create an alliance.  We immediately began to wondered what was up.

And we had time to wonder, as TEST’s erstwhile allies, who went to the trouble to put the ihub at D4KU-5 into reinforce, couldn’t raise a fleet to finish off the timer, so we were out there repping the ihub in peace.

Repping the ihub

Repping the ihub

Visions of a disgruntled director dissolving TEST and GSF grabbing their alliance name, as happened with Band of Brothers way back when, swam through my head.  Why else would they need somebody to create an alliance on short notice.

But no, we weren’t going to be adding to TEST’s current implosion and retreat to low sec.  We got the word, again through Jabber:

Directorbot: HORRIBLE EXPERIMENTS WITH PUBBIES: Due to the horrors of the Odyssey changes, we are now considering the formerly unthinkable: setting up a CFC-affiliated renter zone, where each entity in the CFC gets ~mad bux~ based on their participation. CCP seems to be forcing everyone into being serf-lords. Give me your best renter-alliance names in gfgbs, with the understanding that “Free Trade Zone” has sadly already been taken.

We’re also going to arrange a ~sales force~ where you can get a cut of the first month’s rent of any renter pubbie corp you help us slot into their ghettoes.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2013-08-10 21:14:04.819616 EVE, replies are not monitored ***

Goonswarm was going into the space rental business.

The name chosen, as seen in the title of this post, was the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere (ticker: PBLRD).  The name is a reference that had to be explained to those not keeping up.

The irony of the situation is… I don’t know… very ironic?  Irony turned up to 11?

The Goons in particular have been quite vocal in their hate of renters and alliances that fund themselves through renters, to the point that anti-renter propaganda has become a core value of the alliance.  The big April Fool’s joke at The Mittani this year was a mock announcement that Goonswarm was going to start renting space.

But there it was.  A post was up in the Goon forums announcing the plan, complete with imposing charts and graphs detailing the potential upside value in ISK for the whole venture, which you can see here in the public announcement of the plan.  And then the thread lit up.  The first response was:

this is the dumbest thing we could possibly do

And it devolved from there.  As noted, hating renters, and pubbies in general, has a history.  And even trying to cast the whole thing as a bold new way to oppresses the masses in New Eden was not getting many converts.

A new vision

A new vision

And the most bitter pill to swallow had to be the immediate ban on rental scams.  Long have Goon scammers fattened their wallets acting as null sec real estate agents, taking large deposits on the promise of an early move-in date for prime ratting/mining locations.  All of that is now verboten.

In then end, the project was destined to go forward because of the ISK factor.  With moon income being reduced greatly with Odyssey, potential CFC adversaries, all of whom rent space to subsidize their empires, looked to be able to accumulate war chests that would allow them to outspend us in any  future conflict.  The venture has been cast as one required for long term survival.   Plus, you know, ongoing peacetime reimbursements, first carriers free to Goons, and other aspects of space communism.  The Goons will harness the carebears to the yoke.  Gevlon would be proud.

All of which was both interesting and uncomfortable to watch as a Goon ally in the CFC.  Things in the Goon forums tend to be cast entirely in a Goon light, and rightly so.  But as a… pubbie… non-Goon… Goon by association… or whatever the hell I am, I am never quite sure…  with access to their forums, from which almost all my CFC information comes, it isn’t always clear where allies fit in.  Some questions up the chain in my own corp/alliance indicated that this was a CFC-wide initiative and that all alliances in the CFC would share in the bounty in some way.

Now there is just the details of making the whole thing work.  As part of an ongoing educational plan, there is a good post up describing how null sec rental empires operate in EVE Online, which includes some information on other such operations.  But there is still a gap in trust to be overcome.  If you have been scammed by Goons in the past, what is the likelihood that you are going to sign up for this, pay the first month’s rental in advance, and then put all your corporate assets in a station that they can lock you out of should the need and/or desire arise?

Because jumping onto that is not going to make you a member of the CFC.  It is not a back door to becoming a Goon ally.  If you are looking for that sort of thing, then you are doing it wrong.

It is even tough to hold up CSM8 member Mynnna, who is driving part of this initiative, as a sign of good faith after The Mittani used his position as CSM chairman as a way to gain trust in order to pull off a number of supercapital escrow scams.  Life with a reputation.

But renting such space can be a way to make a lot of ISK, if you have a corp willing to work the space.  Or multi-box like crazy.

And you can trust me right?  Hah!  I will have to see what this sales force option is, since I could use the ISK for my capital ship plans.   And my corporation explicitly forbids scamming in their bylaws.

The upshot of all of this is that it looks like renters will become a key financing method for all major null sec power blocs.  And since wars are often about money… see the stated reason for the invasion of Fountain… I expect that renters will become a greater focus in conflicts going forward.  That was one of the forum proposals, that rather than renting we just go interdict the opposition’s renters in order to level the ISK playing field.  That did not fly on its own, but I am sure it will be part of the plan going forward.

Personally, I am mostly looking forward to seeing “Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere” appear on the null sec influence map.  Well, that and ongoing ship reimbursements.  I am all for that.